Announcement

Collapse

Forum Rules (Everyone Must Read!!!)

1] What you CAN NOT post.

You agree, through your use of this service, that you will not use this forum to post any material which is:
- abusive
- vulgar
- hateful
- harassing
- personal attacks
- obscene

You also may not:
- post images that are too large (max is 500*500px)
- post any copyrighted material unless the copyright is owned by you or cited properly.
- post in UPPER CASE, which is considered yelling
- post messages which insult the Armenians, Armenian culture, traditions, etc
- post racist or other intentionally insensitive material that insults or attacks another culture (including Turks)

The Ankap thread is excluded from the strict rules because that place is more relaxed and you can vent and engage in light insults and humor. Notice it's not a blank ticket, but just a place to vent. If you go into the Ankap thread, you enter at your own risk of being clowned on.
What you PROBABLY SHOULD NOT post...
Do not post information that you will regret putting out in public. This site comes up on Google, is cached, and all of that, so be aware of that as you post. Do not ask the staff to go through and delete things that you regret making available on the web for all to see because we will not do it. Think before you post!


2] Use descriptive subject lines & research your post. This means use the SEARCH.

This reduces the chances of double-posting and it also makes it easier for people to see what they do/don't want to read. Using the search function will identify existing threads on the topic so we do not have multiple threads on the same topic.

3] Keep the focus.

Each forum has a focus on a certain topic. Questions outside the scope of a certain forum will either be moved to the appropriate forum, closed, or simply be deleted. Please post your topic in the most appropriate forum. Users that keep doing this will be warned, then banned.

4] Behave as you would in a public location.

This forum is no different than a public place. Behave yourself and act like a decent human being (i.e. be respectful). If you're unable to do so, you're not welcome here and will be made to leave.

5] Respect the authority of moderators/admins.

Public discussions of moderator/admin actions are not allowed on the forum. It is also prohibited to protest moderator actions in titles, avatars, and signatures. If you don't like something that a moderator did, PM or email the moderator and try your best to resolve the problem or difference in private.

6] Promotion of sites or products is not permitted.

Advertisements are not allowed in this venue. No blatant advertising or solicitations of or for business is prohibited.
This includes, but not limited to, personal resumes and links to products or
services with which the poster is affiliated, whether or not a fee is charged
for the product or service. Spamming, in which a user posts the same message repeatedly, is also prohibited.

7] We retain the right to remove any posts and/or Members for any reason, without prior notice.


- PLEASE READ -

Members are welcome to read posts and though we encourage your active participation in the forum, it is not required. If you do participate by posting, however, we expect that on the whole you contribute something to the forum. This means that the bulk of your posts should not be in "fun" threads (e.g. Ankap, Keep & Kill, This or That, etc.). Further, while occasionally it is appropriate to simply voice your agreement or approval, not all of your posts should be of this variety: "LOL Member213!" "I agree."
If it is evident that a member is simply posting for the sake of posting, they will be removed.


8] These Rules & Guidelines may be amended at any time. (last update September 17, 2009)

If you believe an individual is repeatedly breaking the rules, please report to admin/moderator.
See more
See less

Turkey considering withdraw from the F-35 program

Collapse
X
 
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • #21
    Re: Turkey considering withdraw from the F-35 program

    Originally posted by londontsi View Post
    can you elaborate on this, sources (media?) please
    Sure. Here is a very well summed up info on this matter.

    ASELSAN and suspicious suicides of 3 engineers
    First about Aselsan:



    ASELSAN was founded by the Turkish Armed Forces Foundation at the end of 1975 to produce tactical military radios and defense electronic systems for the Turkish Armed Forces. In early 1979 following an investment and infrastructure establishment period, ASELSAN started its production, at Macunköy-Ankara facilities. Since its foundation, ASELSAN has expanded its products and customer spectrum, depending on qualified personnel, high technology, and knowledge. ASELSAN is the leading multi-product electronics company of Turkey that designs, develops and manufactures modern electronic systems for military and professional use. The company’ s headquarters is located at Macunköy facilities in Ankara, Turkey. According to the field of activities ASELSAN has been organized in three main divisions: Communications Division (HC) and Microwave & System Technologies Division (MST) are located at Macunköy-Ankara. Microelectronics, Guidance & Electro-Optics Division (MGEO) is located at Akyurt-Ankara. The Communications Division and Microwave & System Technologies Division have high-technology and automated infrastructure in engineering and production at Macunköy facilities. Electronic production includes surface mount technology, multilayer and flexible printed circuit boards, mechanical and mould productions, system integration and test fields. While Communications Division's main product spectrum covers military and professional communications systems, Microwave and System Technologies Division's main operations are focused on radar, electronic warfare and command-control systems, making these divisions evolving technology centers in their fields. Equipped with high technology engineering, automatic production and test equipment, Microelectronics, Guidance and Electro-Optics Division manufactures hybrid microelectronic circuits, night vision equipment, thermal cameras, laser ranger/designators and inertial navigation systems at Akyurt facilities. In all divisions, methodologies complying with military standards and ISO-9001 are successfully applied using computer aided design (CAD), computer aided engineering (CAE), and computer aided manufacturing (CAM) technologies.

    Now about the suicides:

    August 7, 2006 Mechanical engineer is found dead in a car
    January, 16 2007 electric engineer found shot in his car
    January 26, 2007 another electic engineer allegedly commits suicide, throws himself from 7th floor balcony, leaving a note

    Aselsan does not make any statements on this issue. All the suicides are in the last 6 months and these engineers are young between 26 and 31 years of age.

    Somebody trying to do something but why ? Some thoughts:

    1. All 3 were forced to betray the company but did not so they were eliminated.
    2. Or they were betraying and were found out
    3. Or they learned about some facts about Aselsan which should not be leaked out and were hushed.

    Another info. Aselsan is working on avionics which is to be integrated in F -16 jets that Turkiye is producing:

    (general) Application of electronics to aviation and space exploration.
    connectors.tycoelectronics.com/glossary/

    AN/APG-65 radar, ASB-19(V) angle-rate bombing system, laser spot tracker, TV tracker, CEC-Marconi FLIR, GPS A forward looking infrared (FLIR) system is a television camera that takes pictures in infrared. ... Over fifty GPS satellites such as this NAVSTAR have been launched since 1978. ...
    Looking for country statistics? NationMaster gives access to market sizing and trends across 300 industry verticals and a global coverage.


    All the electronic and electro-mechanical systems and subsystems (hardware and software) installed in an aircraft or attached to it. Avionics systems interact with the crew or other aircraft systems in these functional areas: communications, navigation, weapons delivery, identification, instrumentation, electronic warfare, reconnaissance, flight control, engine control, power distribution, and support equipment.


    science and technology of electronic systems and devices for aeronautics and astronautics; "avionics has become even more important with the development of the space program"
    wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn
    If you search on boogle "death of 3 aselsan engineers" you'll find thousands of articles from the major turkish media sources.
    Last edited by lipton; 04-17-2011, 01:20 AM.
    Turks and Azeris love to attack women and children

    Comment


    • #22
      Re: Turkey considering withdraw from the F-35 program

      Originally posted by lipton View Post
      Yes. Well partially right. But if they stop killing our engineers (and make it look like a suicide) that work on national source codes, it's possible.
      You mean those engineers that can't get your indigenous Jet trainer off the ground for the last four years, or the ones who so called designed the indigenous un- manned ultralight (A Canadian design copy) "Mosquito" carrying a big heavy Rocket....I think they did you a favor by taking them out man.
      B0zkurt Hunter

      Comment


      • #23
        Re: Turkey considering withdraw from the F-35 program



        This reminds me of similar events in the UK ...... it went quiet ( never publicised) after a while.......

        GEC-Marconi scientist deaths conspiracy theory

        The GEC-Marconi scientist deaths conspiracy theory states that between 1982 and 1990 twenty-five British-based GEC-Marconi scientists and engineers who worked on the Sting Ray torpedo project, and other US Strategic Defense Initiative related projects (better known as Star Wars) died under mysterious circumstances. Police investigations found the deaths to be unconnected and lacking evidence of foul play


        Last edited by londontsi; 04-17-2011, 01:46 AM.
        Politics is not about the pursuit of morality nor what's right or wrong
        Its about self interest at personal and national level often at odds with the above.
        Great politicians pursue the National interest and small politicians personal interests

        Comment


        • #24
          Re: Turkey considering withdraw from the F-35 program

          Originally posted by lipton View Post
          Sorry. Turkey is going for new generation MIGS and for the purchases they ask Russians to remove recognition of armenian genocide before 2020 from their constitution.

          Another rumor says in return of building the nuclear plants Turkey is asking Russians to establish a harder visa policy on Armenia.
          Sources? If you don't have any stop pulling things out of your ass please.

          Comment


          • #25
            Re: Turkey considering withdraw from the F-35 program

            Originally posted by Eddo211 View Post
            You mean those engineers that can't get your indigenous Jet trainer off the ground for the last four years, or the ones who so called designed the indigenous un- manned ultralight (A Canadian design copy) "Mosquito" carrying a big heavy Rocket....I think they did you a favor by taking them out man.
            Would J-powers bother killing engineers that wouldn't be able to get our indigenous Jet trainer off the ground for the last four years? I personally do not fantasize pink events, such as we having a space program.
            Turks and Azeris love to attack women and children

            Comment


            • #26
              Re: Turkey considering withdraw from the F-35 program

              The F-35 is never going to happen anyway. The project is about 15 years behind schedule and a total waste of tax payer money.
              General Antranik (1865-1927): “I am not a nationalist. I recognize only one nation, the nation of the oppressed.”

              Comment


              • #27
                Re: Turkey considering withdraw from the F-35 program

                Originally posted by lipton View Post
                Would J-powers bother killing engineers that wouldn't be able to get our indigenous Jet trainer off the ground for the last four years? I personally do not fantasize pink events, such as we having a space program.

                Why anyone in west would bother killing a turk engineer? That is such a rarity that must be protected by ecological organizations (like rare rats ore insects) ....

                Well in space program you can’t compete with Pakistan and Brazil... although you can try.

                Comment


                • #28
                  Re: Turkey considering withdraw from the F-35 program

                  Originally posted by lipton View Post
                  Sorry. Turkey is going for new generation MIGS and for the purchases they ask Russians to remove recognition of armenian genocide before 2020 from their constitution.

                  Another rumor says in return of building the nuclear plants Turkey is asking Russians to establish a harder visa policy on Armenia.

                  There are rumors that Russians will give turks MIGs and build nuclear plants just on one condition: turkey must legalize gay marriage!

                  Comment


                  • #29
                    Re: Turkey considering withdraw from the F-35 program

                    Even if Russia gave Turkey MIGs, Russian tanks, and nuclear plants, they still want to retain the current geo-political boundaries, Erdogan's government can try to invade Armenia, and it will end up like Saddam Hussein in Kuwait, with a bloody nose and total defeat.

                    Comment

                    Working...
                    X