Pentagon Attack on 911

[Armenian]

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I love how it is so difficult for some to accept that a building can sometimes crash down to the ground when a 767 hits it full blast.

Smart one, try 'objectively' analyzing the evidence at hand. At the very least, observe the films/commentaries posted with an open mind. How about the multiple secondary explosions in the buildings in question? I still vividly remember the news reports concerning these explosions from that day. I vividly remember reading in New York Newsday, during the week following the attacks, how a particular employee of an Israel based company (a company that had rented a space in one of the two towers) was told via his pager early that morning not to go to work due to an imminent terrorist attack... I also clearly remember reading how approximately 'sixty' Israeli Mossad agents were caught by the FBI during the course of the 9/11 investigations and deported to Israel - without revealing any details about their activities here. How about all the other hard evidence that go along with this issue, evidence that clearly and directly implicates US government involvement. How about the Pentagon? Where are the remains of the massive airliner that was said to have hit it? Or, are you one of the fools that believe the official line that the airliner in question 'disappeared' through a '15-20 foot radius' hole in the wall... Going along with your line of reasoning, namely that the airliners caused the perfect, free-fall speed, linear implosion/collapse of the twin towers - how did WTC 7 collapse? Ask yourself how did a building, a fifty story steel structure, that had 'not' been hit by an airplane crash 'exactly' the same way as the towers... It still amazes me at how stupid, how docile, the sheeple remain in this country - it's of biblical proportions. Perhaps they subconsciously choose stupidity or ignorance because it's much more comfortable for their simple minds...

[Armenian]

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International Terrorism Does Not Exist

General Leonid Ivashov (left) with journalist Christopher Bollyn from American Free Press

General Leonid Ivashov was the Chief of Staff of the Russian armed forces when the September 11, 2001, attacks took place. This military man, who lived the events from the inside, offers an analysis which is very different to that of his American colleagues. As he did during the Axis for Peace 2005 conference, he now explains that international terrorism does not exist and that the September 11 attacks were the result of a set-up. What we are seeing is a manipulation by the big powers; this terrorism would not exist without them. He affirms that, instead of faking a "world war on terror", the best way to reduce that kind of attacks is through respect for international law and peaceful cooperation among countries and their citizens.

By General Leonid Ivashov

As the current international situation shows, terrorism emerges where contradiction aggravate, where there is a change of social relations or a change of regime, where there is political, economic or social instability, where there is moral decadence, where cynicism and nihilism triumph, where vice is legalized and where crime spreads. It is globalization what creates the conditions for the emergence of these extremely dangerous phenomena. It is in this context that the new world geo-strategic map is being designed, that the resources of the planet are being re-distributed, that borders are disappearing, that international law is being torn into pieces, that cultural identities are being erased, that spiritual life becomes impoverished...

The analysis of the essence of the globalization process, the military and political doctrines of the United States and other countries, shows that terrorism contributes to a world dominance and the submissiveness of states to a global oligarchy. This means that terrorism is not something independent of world politics but simply an instrument, a means to install a unipolar world with a sole world headquarters, a pretext to erase national borders and to establish the rule of a new world elite. It is precisely this elite that constitutes the key element of world terrorism, its ideologist and its "godfather". The main target of the world elite is the historical, cultural, traditional and natural reality; the existing system of relations among states; the world national and state order of human civilization and national identity.

Today's international terrorism is a phenomenon that combines the use of terror by state and non-state political structures as a means to attain their political objectives through people's intimidation, psychological and social destabilization, the elimination of resistance from power organizations and the creation of appropriate conditions for the manipulation of the countries' policies and the behavior of people. Terrorism is the weapon used in a new type of war. At the same time, international terrorism, in complicity with the media, becomes the manager of global processes. It is precisely the symbiosis between media and terror, which allows modifying international politics and the exiting reality. In this context, if we analyze what happened on September 11, 2001, in the United States, we can arrive at the following conclusions:

1. The organizers of those attacks were the political and business circles interested in destabilizing the world order and who had the means necessary to finance the operation. The political conception of this action matured there where tensions emerged in the administration of financial and other types of resources. We have to look for the reasons of the attacks in the coincidence of interests of the big capital at global and transnational levels, in the circles that were not satisfied with the rhythm of the globalization process or its direction. Unlike traditional wars, whose conception is determined by generals and politicians, the oligarchs and politicians submitted to the former were the ones who did it this time.

2. Only secret services and their current chiefs x or those retired but still having influence inside the state organizations x have the ability to plan, organize and conduct an operation of such magnitude. Generally, secret services create, finance and control extremist organizations. Without the support of secret services, these organizations cannot exist x let alone carry out operations of such magnitude inside countries so well protected. Planning and carrying out an operation on this scale is extremely complex.

3. Osama bin Laden and "Al Qaeda" cannot be the organizers nor the performers of the September 11 attacks. They do not have the necessary organization, resources or leaders. Thus, a team of professionals had to be created and the Arab kamikazes are just extras to mask the operation.
The September 11 operation modified the course of events in the world in the direction chosen by transnational mafias and international oligarchs; that is, those who hope to control the planet's natural resources, the world information network and the financial flows. This operation also favored the US economic and political elite that also seeks world dominance. General Leonid Ivashov with journalist Christopher Bollyn from American Free Press

The use of the term "international terrorism" has the following goals:

Hiding the real objectives of the forces deployed all over the world in the struggle for dominance and control;

Turning the people's demands to a struggle of undefined goals against an invisible enemy;

Destroying basic international norms and changing concepts such as: aggression, state terror, dictatorship or movement of national liberation;

Depriving peoples of their legitimate right to fight against aggressions and to reject the work of foreign intelligence services;

Establishing the principle of renunciation to national interests, transforming objectives in the military field by giving priority to the war on terror, violating the logic of military alliances to the detriment of a joint defense and to favor the anti-terrorist coalition;

Solving economic problems through a tough military rule using the war on terror as a pretext. In order to fight in an efficient way against international terrorism it is necessary to take the following steps:

To confirm before the UN General Assembly the principles of the UN Charter and international law as principles that all states are obliged to respect;

To create a geo-strategic organization (perhaps inspired in the Cooperation Organization of Shanghai comprised of Russia, China, Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan) with a set of values different to that of the Atlantists;

to design a strategy of development of states, a system of international security, another financial and economic model (which would mean that the world would again rest on two pillars);

To associate (under the United Nations) the scientific elites in the design and promotion of the philosophical concepts of the Human Being of the 21st Century. To organize the interaction of all religious denominations in the world, on behalf of the stability of humanity's development, security and mutual support.

General Leonid Ivashov

General Leonid Ivashov is the vice-president of the Academy on geopolitical affairs. He was the chief of the department for General affairs in the Soviet Union's ministry of Defense, secretary of the Council of defense ministers of the Community of independant states (CIS), chief of the Military cooperation department at the Russian federation's Ministry of defense and Joint chief of staff of the Russian armies.

Source: http://www.rense.com/general69/ism.htm

[Sip]

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3. Osama bin Laden and "Al Qaeda" cannot be the organizers nor the performers of the September 11 attacks. They do not have the necessary organization, resources or leaders. Thus, a team of professionals had to be created and the Arab kamikazes are just extras to mask the operation.

Objective analysis only leads to one conclusion: Osama Bin Laden is a jew and a secret member of the secret service.

[Armenian]

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Objective analysis only leads to one conclusion: Osama Bin Laden is a jew and a secret member of the secret service.

What can I say, other than - Political elites have wet dreams about having content idiots like you to rule over.

[Sip]

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I am looking forward to your "we didn't land on the moon" and "the Earth is flat" threads. After all, isn't it being "content" believing in those myths too?

[Virgil]

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I am looking forward to your "we didn't land on the moon" and "the Earth is flat" threads. After all, isn't it being "content" believing in those myths too?

NO, you are very naive individual, I had to delete my earlier post, but understand, no one is challenging the "moon walk", rather, it is a known fact that governments must create fear in people in order for people to back the government. Do you honestly think the United States failed to see the Japanese bombers and fleet moving across the Pacific? It is a documented fact that the military at the time knew the attack was incoming, the president was warned, but for some "mysterious" reason, nobody responded. Now, you have to ask yourself, was 911 a conspiracy? I don't know, it could have been, the emphasis is on "could". Israel has one of the most developed intelligence network in the Middle-East, they know what color is being xxxxed in the oval offices across the Middle-East, they may have known and if they had known, it would have been in their best interest to let the terrorist plot unfold the way it did. What did this do but drag the greatest military force ever since the Romans into the problems of the Middle-East. Israel can always use 911 as a justification to disarm the many states in the Middle-East, slowly building Greater Israel in the process.

[skhara]

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I am looking forward to your "we didn't land on the moon" and "the Earth is flat" threads. After all, isn't it being "content" believing in those myths too?

Thank you for this post. I have noticed that my own brother tends to say things just as stupid as this. I have to wonder what goes though ones mind when a comparison of something that is commonly known and accepted worldwide, something that can be verified and proved to those who don't believe it gets compared to an event where the official government declared position does not stand up to scrutiny, where much of the world outside the US is convinced that 9/11 was indeed a false-flag terrorist operation (especially the vast majority of the population in the Muslim world), and where quite a significant number of American academia and American citizenry have also come to the same conclusion.

Sip, this is the intellectual lounge. I'm pretty relaxed, but I can see how this kind of posting may irritate people.

[Armenian]

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I have noticed that my own brother tends to say things just as stupid as this. I have to wonder what goes though ones mind...

I know exactly what you mean. I guess it has to do with character, intellect and exposure. Nevertheless, Sip is the perfect example of how the masses think. The political elite obviously know very well what kind of a population they rule over. That is why they can allow themselves to get careless in their policy implementations at times, knowing full well that regardless of their blunder the masses will simply fall in line with the 'official' explanation. In my opinion, the greatest "conspiracy theory" is the one about how a bunch of horse-back rag-heads, living in Afghan caves, managed to outsmart and attack the greatest superpower the world has ever known. Under simple scrutiny, every single aspect of the 'official' explanation regarding 9/11 would be revealed as a fairytale.

Like I said, the political/financial elite of this world have wet dreams about having content idiots to rule over.

About the inexplicable WTC-7 collapse:

Could it be that the American Airlines flight that was shot down over Pennsylvania was meant to hit WTC-7? I say this because WTC-7 was demolished exactly the same way as the Twin Towers, although no aircraft had hit it. This leads me to believe that the flight in question was to hit the building and the building was to collapse "due to aircraft impact and fire" as did the Twin Towers. So, could it be that the US Air Force, which had been thrown off that day by multiple military exercises, finally realized what was going on and shot down the airliner in question? As a result, WTC-7 was left with all its planted explosives intact? Could it be that they made the decision to "pull" WTC-7 later that day to cover up the planted explosives?

Of course they told smart ones like Sip, the type that makes up a majority in this nation, that the building collapsed because of two small fires that were burning within it.

[Sip]

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The amazing thing about such discussions is that the similarity in the simplistic reasoning that leads to some very complex conclusions ... I had a very similar discussion with someone recently who was calling me an idiot for not literally believing in the bible.

Whether it is evolution, the bible, 9/11, world politics, economics, history, etc etc ... why is it always that I am the idiot while everyone else's grand claims just have to be right?

[Illuminator]

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The amazing thing about such discussions is that the similarity in the simplistic reasoning that leads to some very complex conclusions ... I had a very similar discussion with someone recently who was calling me an idiot for not literally believing in the bible.

Whether it is evolution, the bible, 9/11, world politics, economics, history, etc etc ... why is it always that I am the idiot while everyone else's grand claims just have to be right?

I'm afraid that's what most everyone thinks of you.