Happy Birthday Ara Baliozian!

Re: Happy Birthday Ara Baliozian!

The nationalists beat a retreat.

Մելի՛ք, թա՛փ տուր մի քեզ։

Re: Happy Birthday Ara Baliozian!

"Freedom of speech"

excerpt from the memoirs of Jean de Joinville a.k.a. Vie de Saint Louis

He told me that there was a great conference of clergy and xxxs in the monastery of Clugny, and there was a knight, to whom the abbot had given bread out of charity, and he desired the abbot to let him have the first word, and with some difficulty he got permission. Then the knight rose, and leaned upon his crutch, and bade them bring forth the greatest scholar and master among the xxxs, and they did so. And he put a question to him as follows: " Master," said he, " I ask you, whether you believe that the Virgin Mary, who carried God in her womb and in her arms, brought forth as a maid, and that she is the Mother of God? " And the xxx replied: That he did not believe a word of it. The knight replied: That he was a great fool to trust himself inside her monastery and house, when he neither believed in nor loved her; " And truly you shall pay for it" quoth he. And thereupon he lifted up his staff, and smote the xxx behind the ear, and stretched him on the ground. And the xxxs took to their heels, carrying their master off with them, all wounded. And that was the end of the conference. Then the abbot came to the knight, and said: That he had acted very foolishly; and the knight replied: That he himself had acted still more foolishly, in calling such a conference; for that there were numbers of Christians there, who by the close of the conference would have gone away infidels, through not seeing through the fallacies of the xxxs. " And so I tell you," said the King, " That no one ought to argue with them unless he be a very good scholar; but a layman, if he hear the Christian law defamed, should undertake its defence with the sword alone, and that he should use to run them straight through the body as far in as it will go!"

http://www.ordotempli.org/memoirs_of_the_lord_of_joinville.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean_de_Joinville

[zourna]

Re: Happy Birthday Ara Baliozian!

The nationalists beat a retreat.

[arabaliozian]

Re: Happy Birthday Ara Baliozian!

to my anonymous detractors:
never hate a fellow armenian to such a degree that you feel the need to invent lies to degrade him, because when the lies are exposed what remains is your irrational hatred...in other words, your ottomanism. / ara

[arabaliozian]

Re: Happy Birthday Ara Baliozian!

Friday, February 01, 2008
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FOR WHOM THE BELL TOLLS
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On the day a belief system is established, it begins to degenerate. A religion or an ideology may not lobotomize or moronize its converts but it takes them a step away from their individuality by depersonalizing them. That may explain why the inevitable movement in all institutions, organizations, and mass movements is towards the lowest common denominator. Christianity resulted in religious wars, the persecution of heretics, and serial child molesters; Islam in suicidal fanatics slaughtering innocent civilians; Marxism in commissars and the cold-blooded murder of millions; and nationalism in genocides.
Jesus and Mohammad were not historians, but Marx was. Hence his declaration: “I am not a Marxist.” Had Jesus known about the future abuses of Christianity, my guess is he would have given up preaching for carpentry.
To say my brand of ideology or orthodoxy is better than yours or someone else’s, raises the question: Has anyone ever said the opposite? Namely, My orthodoxy is polluted, my religion is second rate, my ideology is not the best, or my belief system is of an inferior brand? To believe also means to believe that one’s belief system is la crème de la crème even when it is la crème de la scum. Hence the phenomenon of skinheads, fascist thugs, and nationalist hooligans.
And now a question: if our nationalists engage in hooliganism against their own kind, what are they capable of doing to an unfriendly, alien, and defenseless minority in their midst when the law is on their side? Answer that question honestly and you may have a better insight into the Turkish mindset during World War I when the whole world was against them and when their own existence was in peril. I said “Turkish mindset.” I should have said “human nature,” and even better, “yourself.”
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[freakyfreaky]

Re: Happy Birthday Ara Baliozian!

Thank you, Sip!!!

[Sip]

Re: Happy Birthday Ara Baliozian!

I would like to take this opportunity to thank myself too now that we are all in an ass kissing mode.

[crusader1492]

Re: Happy Birthday Ara Baliozian!

This thread has gone too far, even for my exquisite taste...

I never felt comfortable with this freaky character before and now this repulsive individual simply disgusts me. He has shown absolutely no intellect, no objectivity, no depth - only irrational rants and brain farts. All he has been doing is attempting to turn this valid debate into freak show. I am done trying to talk to idiots and delusional morons. Thank you Virgil, Crusader and Lucin. In final analysis, when the likes of Ara and Freaky disappear into the murky pages of our diasporan history, the off-springs of individuals like you will continue our national heritage. On this holy day of remembrance, I ask you to always look for quality over quantity in your people, always remember that its all about your relationship to the fatherland/motherland, and regardless of where life takes you always remember to keep Armenia in your heart.

Thank you too, for your insight throughout this forum and for the profound words above...it is a good way to end this thread which has clearly run its course and served its purpose (i.e. exposing defeatest, ineffectual and faulty mentalities). I actually think this thread can serve as a salient example of what is wrong with the diaspora.

Regardless, enough is enough.

Let Ara, Freaky and Siamanto praise eachother in peace and isolation.

[freakyfreaky]

Re: Happy Birthday Ara Baliozian!

The egos of Ara's shameful detractors.

[TomServo]

Re: Happy Birthday Ara Baliozian!

This thread has gone too far

You're right.

But I still don't understand how this thread turned into this huge debate. I created the same thread last year, and there were only a few responses.