Happy Birthday Ara Baliozian!

[Armenian]

Re: Happy Birthday Ara Baliozian!

Now this is hooliganism

It is also quite accurate, they do act like one year olds...

[crusader1492]

Re: Happy Birthday Ara Baliozian!

There was a class of Ottoman Armenians known as The Loyal Servants, or simply slaves as I call them. Throughout centuries this minority within the Armenian community was entrusted by the Turks with a very important task: The Destruction of the Armenian Nationalism. The Loyal Servants mastered their task and succeeded in having a generation upon a generation of Armenians being made slaves of the Ottomans. But when groups of young Russian Armenians appeared in the Ottoman Empire the Loyal Servants became worried as they knew that their privileged position was under a threat because these youngsters managed to awaken the hero spirit of their ancestors in many of the Ottoman Armenians. Ara Baliozian is a remnant of these Loyal Servants, a Turkish slave of Armenian origin still serving his old masters. These slaves together with their masters have managed to destroy half of our nation but we have managed to survive and against all odds we have a country. No wonder they hate us and our country (Hayvanistan as Ara calls it), no wonder they want to see us beaten and humiliated, no wonder they want our end. But their dream will never come true it will die an agonizing death together with them.

Thanks for this post...the Armenian nation during the ottoman empire was full if these slaves. Thankfully, they are of no consequence now. They were all killed too, inspite of their loyal service.

You would think people like Siamanto and Freaky would open their eyes about Ara when he refers to Armenia as "Hayvanistan" (Turkish translation: "land of animals"). This isn't hateful?

[TomServo]

Re: Happy Birthday Ara Baliozian!

It is also quite accurate, they do act like one year olds...

I'm not over the hill just yet.

[Armenian]

Re: Happy Birthday Ara Baliozian!

I'm not over the hill just yet.

I'm comfortably sitting on top of the hill, thank you. Besides, my comment had nothing to do with you. Now, run off and play with something...

[TomServo]

Re: Happy Birthday Ara Baliozian!

Don't be such a bitter berry!

[axel]

Re: Happy Birthday Ara Baliozian!

I would not say Ara is a "self-hating" armenian*. I rather see him as a hypocritical xxx (of whom he displays all salient features: hysteria, pathological lying, perpetual whining, self-victimization, persecution delirium, messianic complex...), my primary concern being his lack of integrity. Other than that, clearly he makes a few valid points from time to time (although sounding like a broken record). And he has been given great opportunities to do so (for free) in this thread.
One should not mistake professional charlatans for amateurs.
Distinguished charlatans such as Ara spend most of their time stating obvious truths so that the naive/uncultured reader may swallow up their lies/half-truths/crap mixed in with the rest.

* This (recurring) "self-hating" characterization is in fact zionist lingo used to qualify decent xxxs. I can only reject it. If I were a xxx, I wouldn't be a zionist. I would belong to the "self-hating" bunch.

[Armenian]

Re: Happy Birthday Ara Baliozian!

I would not say Ara is a "self-hating" armenian*. I rather see him as a hypocritical xxx (of whom he displays all salient features: hysteria, pathological lying, perpetual whining, self-victimization, persecution delirium, messianic complex...), my primary concern being his lack of integrity...

Your comment is profound on many levels. I would also add that Ara has a minuscule understanding of Armenian national culture, human history and geopolitics in general. Ara is an intellectual midget. He also has a massive ego, blinding him the the facts stated above. However, I have to reiterate that Ara 'does' express self-hate. There is no need to look at everything under a Jewish light. Reassess his rantings. There are several common themes in his rants. One of them is his resentment of his countrymen, whom he essentially blames for short-coming as a writer. The other is his embarrassed of his national heritage. There are many-many examples of this in his numerous rantings. One being his repeated BS about Vardan Mamikonian not being a real figure in history. The other being his twisted idea that Armenians are racists and culturally inferior to westerners. I don't have the time to go through his crap to dig up more dirt. If you have the time, the interest, go through his work - self-hate is definitely an essential part of his character. In my opinion, he is the perfect Ottoman subject, blaming the Armenian nationalists for the Genocide. I would like to think that he is the last of the Ottomanized filth in our society, but seeing ignorant freaks like "freakyfreaky" and "Siamanto" I am not sure about that anymore.

[freakyfreaky]

Re: Happy Birthday Ara Baliozian!

HayotzAmrotz, just curious did some of these 'loyal servants' also comprise a portion of the Young Turks - who are attributed as designing and enforcing the 'relocation' project?

Are there not "loyal servants" in Armenia? Do you think a Soviet Ukranian arrested Andranik Magaryan for rallying against the Soviet government in the 70s or was he arrested by a Soviet Armenian?

Because, while Vardan Cardashian was in the U.S. representing Turkey, his relatives were being butchered likely under the direction of the Young Turks.

Note: It does not make it any less of a genocide if Armenians were killing Armenians under the mantle of the state. Some J-ews worked for the Nazis at the concentration camps to save their own skin.

But when you talk about the Loyal Servants you don't minimalize or marginalize Ara's position. These servants may have been just as much of dupes as those that thought expediting the fall of Ottoman Turkey would bring them glory.

Also, Havanistan would be "land of chickens" - I call plenty of my hayastansi friends Havastansi and they call me a Barsghehav. Gentanistan would be closer to "land of animals".

[crusader1492]

Re: Happy Birthday Ara Baliozian!

...Also, Havanistan would be "land of chickens" - I call plenty of my hayastansi friends Havastansi and they call me a Barsghehav. Gentanistan would be closer to "land of animals".

The actual word Ara used was "Hayvan" (note the Y) which means "animal" in Turkish.

Gendani is an Armenian word. Ara is not partial to using this language.

Perhaps Ara can clarify what he meant.

[Lucin]

Re: Happy Birthday Ara Baliozian!

I would not say Ara is a "self-hating" armenian*. I rather see him as a hypocritical xxx (of whom he displays all salient features: hysteria, pathological lying, perpetual whining, self-victimization, persecution delirium, messianic complex...), my primary concern being his lack of integrity.

Is this why he feels more than welcome in J.ewish forums?


Nice analysis Axël, I always thought the same about him. He sounds like the disguised charlatan, making pretty sounding and harmonious phrases. He is constantly malcontent, perennially whining and seeking kh'ghjaharutyun. Also, his hakasakan meknabanutyunner and gehgtsavorutyun is just breathtaking. Can't you really see or sense that freaky???

Anyway, I think you guys are giving him a little too much importance/ attention, by constantly pushing him. That's exactly what he wants, as he obviously gets worse. I don't think he is even worthy of being talked about. He is in nowhere in modern Armenian Literature or History.

"go to Hayastan, everytime I go, I come back liking Turks more....
WHo would control "liberated" Hayvanstan? The Mercedes stealing, money hoarding idiots who run the current Hayvanstan?"

Wow, I am just speechless...