Adoption

[Artsakhtsi]

Sweden did allow homosexualls to adopt children.,so as Holland (as much as i know) .

What you ppl think about it? USA is against the idea, but Arnold Swartznegger is For this idea.

I wonder how do you see it?!

Thank you !

[Anonymouse]

Government should have no say in what individuals choose to do with their personal lives.

This is precisely what I mean how government structures our thinking.

[patlajan]

Re: Adoption

Originally posted by Artsakhtsi
Sweden did allow homosexualls to adopt children.,so as Holland (as much as i know) .

What you ppl think about it? USA is against the idea, but Arnold Swartznegger is For this idea.

I wonder how do you see it?!

Thank you !

First of all I wanna say that I've been to Sweeden and you guys have a lovely little country going.

But back to the topic, I am totaly against homosexuals raising children. The laws of nature supercede any of equality gone too far laws that are passed in some places.
A child needs a female role model and a male role model to grow up with. Otherwise that child will grow up to be a disfunctional adult.

[Anonymouse]

Re: Re: Adoption

Originally posted by patlajan
First of all I wanna say that I've been to Sweeden and you guys have a lovely little country going.

But back to the topic, I am totaly against homosexuals raising children. The laws of nature supercede any of equality gone too far laws that are passed in some places.
A child needs a female role model and a male role model to grow up with. Otherwise that child will grow up to be a disfunctional adult.

While I agree with you, that is not the role of government to interfere in the private lives of people.

[Anonymouse]

The role of government has never been to protect anything or anyone except its own interests, and to usurp.

There is no where, where it is stated what government is supposed to do exactly and objectively, it just does what it wants, as long as it protects its interests.

As far as "family structures" well the whole "nuclear family" is a modern creation. There was no "nuclear family" during the Indo European migrations, or during Late Antiquity. There was a traditional model of the man woman and child relationship but that was very lax and often men would leave for war in the army, or have many wives, or simply die, and the woman would be left alone to raise the child.

"The government should step in", give them an inch and they take miles. Who are you two decide what other individuals in their private lives do? If what they do is restricted to their lives and their property then you, by all logical means, have no right to tell them what to do. As soon as you start to do so, then you have politics. As much as I disagree with two fairies adopting and raising a kid, I am much more in tune to protecting a higher ideal, that of self responsibility and self direction of the individual, not govenrment meddling in the private affairs of individuals. Government is a bigger threat to your security and privacy than a bunch of xxxs. Then you will have government telling other people how to regulate others, such as people who choose to film porno in their house, or government saying that left handed people cant have drivers licenses, or fat people must be allowed to adopt as many children as they can since they are fat so they must have alot of food to give to orphans.

No sorry, I disagree.

[anileve]

Originally posted by Anonymouse
Government should have no say in what individuals choose to do with their personal lives.

I'd have to agree with you on this one. Why should the government dictate how a family is raised? We are not conditioned robots who should follow in the path of government’s righteousness. The choice should be left upon parents. Who says that heterosexual parents are not responsible for the traumatized lives of abused children? Or how many heterosexual parents abandon their children daily? Independent of the gender of the parents it is the love and values they instill in their family that counts. Many single parents raise their children well, apparently just as successfully without an investment of the opposite gender parent. To each her/his own all that matters is love, everything else is irrelevant.

[Artsakhtsi]

Originally posted by anileve
I'd have to agree with you on this one. Why should the government dictate how a family is raised? We are not conditioned robots who should follow in the path of government’s righteousness. The choice should be left upon parents. Who says that heterosexual parents are not responsible for the traumatized lives of abused children? Or how many heterosexual parents abandon their children daily? Independent of the gender of the parents it is the love and values they instill in their family that counts. Many single parents raise their children well, apparently just as successfully without an investment of the opposite gender parent. To each her/his own all that matters is love, everything else is irrelevant.

Hi thank you for your answer!

U r right about those heterosexual familys that abuse children physical,mental,sexual.... it it terrible... However we can not be sure that homosexual familys would not do the same , it is the human nature,, we are so different , and you never now what to expect from each other.
I realy don't know, it a difficult subject. I don't think that gay people choose to be gay, i belive that they are born so.. Do you think that someone will choose by him self a life fool of problems, a life in sociaty where u are not accepted ... i mean it's hard for them.
But i am also worry about the child, who'll be grown in a "strange" family... it would we very interesting to ask the child how does it feel to have 2 moms or 2 dads...... eh...

[Anonymouse]

Because morality is subjective and each of us has a different version of what we should do with our lives and how we should raise our kids, it seems illogical trying to get government to intervene or to legislate morality.

That's just guano!

[anileve]

Originally posted by Artsakhtsi

But i am also worry about the child, who'll be grown in a "strange" family... it would we very interesting to ask the child how does it feel to have 2 moms or 2 dads...... eh...

Actually Artsakhtsi, we are all outcasts in a way. Many of us have secrets and demons that are abnormal to the surface of the society, but we choose to conceal them in fear of being ridiculed by the majority who is also hiding their own demons. I don’t believe that there is an ideal way to raise a family, it is a very subjective principle. Ideal doesn’t exist, so one should not worry about satisfying standards of others. And prejudice is everywhere in each one of us, either way people are vicious about picking on other peoples misfortunes. All you have is the ability to say xxxx it and live your life the way you want, and give your kids an opportunity to do the same with tons of love and support, everything is secondary.

[Anonymouse]

Originally posted by anileve
Actually Artsakhtsi, we are all outcasts in a way. Many of us have secrets and demons that are abnormal to the surface of the society, but we choose to conceal them in fear of being ridiculed by the majority who is also hiding their own demons. I don’t believe that there is an ideal way to raise a family, it is a very subjective principle. Ideal doesn’t exist, so one should not worry about satisfying standards of others. And prejudice is everywhere in each one of us, either way people are vicious about picking on other peoples misfortunes. All you have is the ability to say xxxx it and live your life the way you want, and give your kids an opportunity to do the same with tons of love and support, everything is secondary.

Wow, I never thought I'd say this but...that was a very lucid post.

Cheers.