Shet hits the fan in turkey

[Kanki]

Re: Shet hits the fan in turkey

It sound like they are ready for the new Caliphate.

Impossible, military never allows

Fog Clouds don't always exist on top of hills....AKP is like that

[crusader1492]

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Impossible, military never allows

Fog Clouds don't always exist on top of hills....AKP is like that

You never know...it happened in Iran, more or less.

[Kanki]

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You never know...it happened in Iran, more or less.

Wait and see

[Armenian]

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Any Belly dancing department?

Are you going to revolt and throw some molotov bottles? You should.

Never

I love my country even there is a stupid governing party.... Ottomans also stupid Sultans and veziers in last age but we overcame it...

Generally speaking, this unconditional love of Türkiye is what makes you Turks fundamentally different than us Armenians. And I envy you Turks for it. A vast majority of Armenians do not know what nationalism is. They do not know what is selfless/unconditional love towards the homeland. Armenians can be 'proud' Armenians but Armenian 'nationalists' are very few. And this is fundamentally the reason why we Armenians 'were' a major nation in Anatolia and you Turks 'are' a major nation in Anatolia.

[Armanen]

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Generally speaking, this unconditional love of Türkiye is what makes you Turks fundamentally different than us Armenians. And I envy you Turks for it. A vast majority of Armenians do not know what nationalism is. They do not know what is selfless/unconditional love towards the homeland. Armenians can be 'proud' Armenians but Armenian 'nationalists' are very few. And this is fundamentally the reason why we Armenians 'were' a major nation in Anatolia and you Turks 'are' a major nation in Anatolia.

When you have a state that was funded on the pretext of "turkish nationalism" and the young ones are indoctrinated at schools, what do you expect. While modern RA came from a more "internationalist" communist perspective, not to mention the effects of the Armenian Genocide and what stalin did in the 20/30s, it makes more sense. A major thing turks should envy Armenians, is the fact that our nation is 97% Armenian, while turks have so many minority groups to deal with, in the end this will be a big part of turkey's undoing.

[Kanki]

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When you have a state that was funded on the pretext of "turkish nationalism" and the young ones are indoctrinated at schools, what do you expect. While modern RA came from a more "internationalist" communist perspective, not to mention the effects of the Armenian Genocide and what stalin did in the 20/30s, it makes more sense.

You can not say for all of the country funded on pretext of Turkish Nationalizm.
Big cities(Istanbul,Ankara,Izmir and Bursa... only total 6-7 cities) are industrialized cities but they separeted from other 74 cities where are not developed. And economic middle and low classes are there despite they are patriotist or nationalist... Also Turkish education system can't teach youngs Turkish history well so it makes impossible to indoctrinate youngs. If you ask Turkish people when did your country get back independence after the first World War? or which year ! Many youngs can not reply this simple question!!!! they can't say "1923" It is obvious

A major thing turks should envy Armenians, is the fact that our nation is 97% Armenian, while turks have so many minority groups to deal with, in the end this will be a big part of turkey's undoing.

Turkey's population is 71 millions if plus with outsiders of country it makes about 82 million. However there is 25-27 millions are not originally Turkish.(Kurds are largest minority, also Greeks,Albanians,Armenians most of whom live in Istanbul are about 70.000-82.000 predicted and Lazs) Yes you are right as this point. but most of these minorities has Turkicized... moreover they do mandatory can be police or soldier, only 5-6 millions kept their real identity.And most of them Kurds...So it is not dangerious!
But 42-45 millions of Turks are still homogeneous.
Other mixed other groups For instance, in nearly 1080s in central Anatolia there were many independent and dependent very small Armenian feudal states all of them mixed with Seljuk Turks. I don't mention Maras, Adana or Eastern Turkey-Kars Van etc...

Also Turkish government based on Kemalizm(or Ataturkculuk) according to that all Turkey citizens are Turkish... racism or discrimination can be allowed for Turkish Law System.So they are equal with a real Turk.

[Armenian]

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When you have a state that was funded on the pretext of "turkish nationalism" and the young ones are indoctrinated at schools, what do you expect. While modern RA came from a more "internationalist" communist perspective, not to mention the effects of the Armenian Genocide and what stalin did in the 20/30s, it makes more sense.

Armanen, I know the excuses well but the bottom line is - irregardless of excuses, they have nationalism in abundance and we don't.

A major thing turks should envy Armenians, is the fact that our nation is 97% Armenian, while turks have so many minority groups to deal with, in the end this will be a big part of turkey's undoing.

That's the difference between having an 'ethnic' mentality as opposed to having an 'empire' mindset. Turks are a 'conquering' people while Armenians are a conservative group geared towards cultural preservation. Turks look to mix with others and they readily accept others into their society. I have been to Turkey, I have observed Turks, I have met Turks. In my opinion, the average Turk is much-much more "nationalistic" than the average Armenian. Unlike Armenians (take a good look around you) Turks have unconditional nationalism, almost like blind faith. While Armenians are all generals, Turks are all soldiers. Armenians are 'proud,' they are not nationalistic. And an Armenian's pride is capable of destroying Armenia. No need to go far to see what I am telling you. We have an abundance of proud Armenians here who are hostile to the fundamental aspects of Armenian nationalism.

The biggest difference between Armenians and Turks in this regard is: Turkish nationalism is somewhat primitive and often times shallow, like blind faith. Armenian nationalism, when aroused, is obsessive, intellectual, shrewed and complex. My grandmother from Adana used to say Turks always feared the 'mind' of the Armenian, not his sword.

For example, imagine Turks having a persistent, psychotic and obsessive enemy like some Armenians we know here

But those types of Armenians in question usually end up hurting Armenians and/or Armenia.

[Azad]

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That's the difference between having an 'ethnic' mentality as opposed to having an 'empire' mindset. Turks are a 'conquering' people while Armenians are a conservative group geared towards cultural preservation.

Agree. The biggest mistake that we Armenians are doing is not the "cultural preservation" it is the INWARDS cultural preservation.

[Kanki]

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Armanen, I know the excuses well but the bottom line is - irregardless of excuses, they have nationalism in abundance and we don't.



That's the difference between having an 'ethnic' mentality as opposed to having an 'empire' mindset. Turks are a 'conquering' people while Armenians are a conservative group geared towards cultural preservation. Turks look to mix with others and they readily accept others into their society. I have been to Turkey, I have observed Turks, I have met Turks. In my opinion, the average Turk is much-much more "nationalistic" than the average Armenian. Unlike Armenians (take a good look around you) Turks have unconditional nationalism, almost like blind faith. While Armenians are all generals, Turks are all soldiers. Armenians are 'proud,' they are not nationalistic. And an Armenian's pride is capable of destroying Armenia. No need to go far to see what I am telling you. We have an abundance of proud Armenians here who are hostile to the fundamental aspects of Armenian nationalism.

The biggest difference between Armenians and Turks in this regard is: Turkish nationalism is somewhat primitive and often times shallow, like blind faith. Armenian nationalism, when aroused, is obsessive, intellectual, shrewed and complex. My grandmother from Adana used to say Turks always feared the 'mind' of the Armenian, not his sword.

For example, imagine Turks having a persistent, psychotic and obsessive enemy like some Armenians we know here

But those types of Armenians in question usually end up hurting Armenians and/or Armenia.

Exactly, perfect comment!! You really surprised me!!!

[KarotheGreat]

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Now let's hope when the army reacts the people will rise against them. And the Kurds from the other side a three way war. That would be awsome to see.