Shet hits the fan in turkey

[Kanki]

Re: Shet hits the fan in turkey

It can't be civil war (AKP followers are always clement sheep)... and military coup is not certain(%49,99999999.... possible, it might be)

(Seperatist ones) Kurds have been already fighting(PKK terror organization like ETA in Spain) for 27 years and killed more than 30.000 Turks since 1984.

[Kanki]

Plots thicken in Ergenekon drama

As the Ergenekon indictment is about to be released after almost a year, new allegations of a gradual coup in relation to the last wave of detentions hijack the country’s agenda. Meanwhile the Justice Ministry database has to be modified to upload the 2,500 page-long document that took officials by surprise

ANKARA - Turkish Daily News


A four-stage plan including mass protests, clashes between police and the populace, and other means to stage a coup against the Islamist government was reportedly found in the office of a retired general who was detained as part of the Ergenekon investigation.

Although the investigation continues without an indictment to date, the alleged plan of a so-called organization to stage a gradual coup was already published in pro-government newspapers yesterday. The notes found in Şener Eruygur's office were called, by the Star newspaper, a “chaos plan” to provoke uprisings and set the ground for a coup.

Deputy Chief Prosecutor of Istanbul Turan Çolakkadı responded to critics about the delay in the indictment, saying the document is complete, but there were technical difficulties in uploading the 2,500 pages into the database called the National Judiciary Network Project, or UYAP. Once the document is uploaded, the computer system will automatically select a suitable court to hear the case. No other cases will be submitted to the chosen court for six to eight months during the Ergenekon hearings. Charges against the last group of 21 people who were detained Tuesday will not be included in the long-awaited indictment but will be penned in an additional document.



Özkök calls for intervention from wise men

Former Chief of Staff Hilmi Özkök, who is known as a moderate and was harshly chided by hardliners for his democratic approach, urged all parties for calm to end the anxiety among people, in an interview with the daily Milliyet. “The incidents are interpreted as a crisis of confidence and war of authority among constitutional institutions, and are viewed by the people as the country's descent into chaos. The appearance of an official actor to tidy up the country's situation by securing public support has become inevitable,” he said. He argued the need for an intervention of wise men whom he described as having public confidence.

“If the situation becomes irrecoverable by hearty actions, while the government will be mainly responsible, others who do nothing or withhold from doing something within their ability will also have their share of responsibility. The main task of those who don't like their captains is not to sink the ship but to help the captains bring the ship into port safely,” Özkök added.



Government, opposition in battle

Meanwhile, main opposition Republican People's Party, or CHP, leader Deniz Baykal continued accusing the government of diverting the Ergenekon investigation for political interests. “We witness that politics and law are drawn into a den of intrigue. The perception that the process is not judicial but a form of political clearance has increasingly taken root,” he said.

Baykal claimed that recent developments proved that the Ergenekon case has started to be handled with a political motivation, a political guidance and diagnosis.

The response to Baykal's accusations came from AKP's deputy parliamentary group leader, Dengir Mir Mehmet Fırat, who slammed Baykal for advocating suspects. “Only courts can decide who is guilty or not; it is not the job of political parties or NGOs. We are not going to take a side in this judicial matter. It is beyond your limits to force us to take a side. Were you not the ones to advocate for supremacy of law?” Fırat asked.

[Armanen]

Re: Shet hits the fan in turkey

I know very well what you are saying Armenian. This mentality will have to be worked upon when a nationalist government comes to power in Armenia, among other things. Yet, I still think we are lucky to not have any major minorities for the enemy to play upon, while turkey has them in adbundance, and at least with the kurds will be easy to foment the flames of separation.

Also, as the west goes into decline, especially the anglo-america alliance, the funding that the puppet and 2nd (less important) zionist state gets will also decline, so as the west declines so will turkey, and I hope to see Armenia, Greece, Iran, and Russia move in to take what they can. The demise of the current world order is something I expect to happen before this century is over, and this is a conservative estimate.

[Azad]

Re: Plots thicken in Ergenekon drama

... a retired general who was detained as part of the Ergenekon investigation.

Kanki these "generals" are Dönmeh and their interest is not in the interest of turks.

[Kanki]

Re: Shet hits the fan in turkey

I don't believe all the news, don't worry

[Azad]

Re: Shet hits the fan in turkey

"New phase in Turkey’s secular struggle
By Vincent Boland in Ankara
Published: July 2 2008 22:50 | Last updated: July 2 2008 22:50
General Kenan Evren, the soldier who led the 1980 military coup in Turkey – a ferocious Latin American-style operation involving tanks on the streets, mass arrests, and torture allegations – lives in happy retirement in the Mediterranean resort of Marmaris. He is said to spend his days painting.

Other Turkish generals refuse to go so quietly. On Tuesday, two retired military men were arrested in an investigation of an alleged plot to overthrow the government of Recep Tayyip Erdogan, prime minister. They are among several ex-army personnel implicated in the plot since the probe began in June last year. And despite the series of arrests – this week’s was the sixth and most important – no one has yet been indicted.


The arrests would appear to establish a direct link between the alleged plotters and more senior people in the military. The two arrested men – Gen Hursit Tolon, former head of land forces, and Gen Sener Eruygur, former chief of the jandarma, a paramilitary force for internal security – were until recently serving officers and have been politically active since retiring.

Gen Tolon is an outspoken critic of the ruling Justice and Development party (AKP) which has roots in political Islam. According to the columnist Yavuz Baydar, he regards the party as “the greatest threat to the republic”. Gen Eruygur is chairman of the Kemalist Thought Association, a body devoted to the memory of Mustafa Kemal Ataturk, the arch-secularist soldier who founded modern Turkey.

Turkish general appeals for calm
The man set to become Turkey’s next top general appealed for calm on Wednesday amid raging controversy over the arrests of more than 20 secularists, including two retired generals, for their alleged involvement in a plot to overthrow the government .

General Ilker Basbug said Turkey was passing through “difficult days” and added that “we all have to be acting with more common sense, more carefully and more responsibly.”

Recep Tayyip Erdogan, prime minister, also tried to play down the controversy, saying the arrests were a judicial, not political, matter.

Turkish financial markets recovered losses after falling sharply on Tuesday on concerns over prolonged tensions in a country all too familiar with military interventions.

Prosecutors in Istanbul said an indictment in the case would be issued soon.

Opponents of the AKP accuse it of stoking the investigation into the plot – known as Ergenekon after a mythical Turkish homeland – to distract from a separate judicial process in which the party is accused of trying to impose Shariah law in Turkey. This week’s arrests preceded a crucial hearing in the case, which could mean the closure of the AKP. It is widely accepted in Turkey the closure case and Ergenekon are another battle in the long war of secularists versus religious conservatives.

That view may have some substance. But in the labyrinthine relations of Turkey’s military and the country’s politicians, this week’s arrests might have a more encouraging import. The military is Turkey’s most powerful and self-important institution. It is steeped in a legacy of cold war thinking in which subversion of political authority was unquestioned (it overthrew three governments between 1960 and 1980). But it is not monolithic and is for several reasons on the defensive.

Soli Ozel, who teaches international relations at Istanbul’s Bilgi University, says there are “obvious camps” within the military. These might include a corps of lower-rank generals unhappy with the general staff’s increased accommodation with the AKP government, involving greater civilian control – as insisted on by the European Union – of an institution used to acting unilaterally.

“[These arrests] may well be a co-ordinated effort by the government and the general staff to clean up the military,” Prof Ozel says. “That dimension of it cannot be overlooked.”

Turkey’s EU accession process is inherently destabilising. It is at least partly responsible for the clash between the irresistible force of democracy and the immovable object of secularism. Diplomats and analysts note the military is internally convulsed by demands to modernise flowing from an accession process some say will diminish army power.

That may be why some retired generals, who despise the AKP and all it stands for, are allegedly determined to undermine the process. It may also be what Ergenekon is ultimately about."

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/b8bf6e10-4864-11dd-a851-000077b07658.html?nclick_check=1

[Azad]

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"Ankara - Four out of 21 prominent Turks detained under a police investigation into coup allegations have been formally arrested, including a leading businessman, Turkish media said on Saturday.

The chairman of Ankara's Chamber of Commerce Sinan Aygun was among the four, the state-run Anatolian news agency said. Aygun is a vocal critic of the ruling AK Party government.

Five others, including the chief editor of a newspaper, were released on Friday but barred from leaving the country while the case continued, Anatolian said.

There was no official word on Saturday on the rest, who include two retired senior generals, journalists and politicians.





They were detained on Tuesday, hours before the first hearing in a case which could lead to the AK Party being banned if it is convicted of trying to introduce Islamic rule. Turkish media said those detained were suspected of being members of a shadowy, ultra-nationalist, hardline secularist group known as Ergenekon, which was already under investigation.

A secret plan, including launching illegal protests on July 7 across 40 provinces, assassinations and clashes with security forces, was seized during Tuesday's swoop, media said.

The prosecutor was not immediately available and Istanbul police declined comment.

Dozens of people had already been detained for suspected links to the Ergenekon group, including retired army officers.

The military - which has repeatedly criticised the government and considers itself the guardian of Turkey's secular system - has denied any links to the group.

The high-profile arrests and start of the case to close the party hit Turkish stock prices and the lira currency on Tuesday. The markets later rebounded thanks to foreign cash inflows."

http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?from=rss_World&set_id=1&click_id=3&art_id=nw20080705135030499C302666

[Kanki]

Re: Shet hits the fan in turkey

Is it funny for you ?

[Azad]

Re: Shet hits the fan in turkey

Is it funny for you ?

No, I really feel sorry for turks and turkey.

Kanki gourban .... have you seen the movie Midnight Express? Or is it illegal in turkey?
There is this famous passage in it...



"For a nation of pigs, it sure seems funny that you don't eat them! Jesus Christ forgave the bastards, but I can't! I hate! I hate you! I hate your nation! And I hate your people! And I fack your sons and daughters because they're pigs! You're all pigs!"

http://www.prisonflicks.com/reviews.php?filmID=61

[Kanki]

Re: Shet hits the fan in turkey

No, it was not banned. . .and it is all nonsense