God

[Stark Evade]

Re: God

+1

It takes more inner strength to be a believer.

No, it takes fear of the unknown, egotism, discomfort with one's ignorance and blind acceptance of the beliefs of familial and community elders. It takes no strength at all.

[Armanen]

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No, it takes fear of the unknown, egotism, discomfort with one's ignorance and blind acceptance of the beliefs of familial and community elders. It takes no strength at all.

We are all fearful, egotistic, ignorant and accepting, it is the degree to which we are that is important. Keep playing Russian roulette with yourself.

[Tres Bien]

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We are all fearful, egotistic, ignorant and accepting, it is the degree to which we are that is important. Keep playing Russian roulette with yourself.

Not everyone are believers in "god" is that so hard to except?

I'll ignore the fact that this is a false dichotomy and just say that religion is a disgusting festering disease and a mockery of the potential of the human mind. There isn't even a higher order of organism above humans on this planet and I'm still embarrassed by these things I need to call my fellow man walking about imagining crap because someone told them to or because they think it'll make them feel better. It's delusion at it's most disturbing. There are no gods, no fairies, no souls, no ghost, no demons, no chakras, no astrological systems... Nobody is watching you. Nobody is protecting you. Nobody is judging you. Nobody is creating stupid little rules for you to follow so you can reap some reward. Quasars and quarks and dark matter and brown dwarfs and black holes and nebulae and neutrinos and gamma rays could not care less about how you live your infinitely short life. It's pathetic and childish to believe in things that are not there. Things that manifest themselves in your pathetic, flawed, vague little "feelings." Religion's connection to human fears and egotism is incredible transparent and ridiculous. Choose to evolve to a higher being and drop this supernatural nonsense. Read a real book. Grow up and let go of your imaginary friends so I no longer have to classify you as mentally diseased.

Thank you! God may not exist but there is something called geniuses...

[Stark Evade]

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interesting opinions dudes lets keep em coming.

and wow Stark you aint gonna convince anyone with just insults. care to explain what your views are in a logical way and what makes them as valid as mine?

They are not insults; they are harsh truths. I'm not expecting to change anyone's views. And I'm not going to start a full religion debate because it is old and useless. It's been done many times just on this forum and leads no where because people are complacent in their blindness. If you really care to experience the arguments against supernatural beliefs and you feel you have the intellectual ability to understand them you can read books by all of the standard author: Richard Dawkins, Daniel Dennett, A.J. Ayers, Baruch Spinoza, Sam Harris, Christopher Hitchens, Michael Shermer, David Hume, Bertrand Russell and so on. I'm not willing to say much more than there isn't a single argument by people who support supernatural thought that has not been defeated by the logic of the other side and you can take that however you like.

[Stark Evade]

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We are all fearful, egotistic, ignorant and accepting, it is the degree to which we are that is important. Keep playing Russian roulette with yourself.

What is important is whether or not those traits interfere with epistemology.

Russian roulette?

[ara87]

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All the dictators round the globe(Bush a good example), they're pretty much on par with criminals or pimps(whose only motivation is to get as many girls/guys psychologically under their control and dependency.

please don't insult former and currently living dictators, criminals, and pimps, by putting our dear Georgie in the same league as them.


Anyways my own personal belief is that even without religion, people generally all still have a knowledge of good and evil, and usually choose good over bad, and while they may do bad things, i.e. lying, they're generally not going to go around killing people just b/c they don't believe in a heaven or hell.

I'm not sure a heaven or hell exists, (I’m agnostic) but I know that somehow at currently or at one point in time, some higher power must have existed, because, logically speaking( although it sounds illogical) something must have always existed, in order to create everything else that did/does exist. And so while I don’t believe particularly in the God of the Abrahamic religions, or if there is a heaven or hell, I still believe that people should live by general philosophies religions share, i.e. don’t kill, don’t steal, treat others how you would like to be treated/ love you neighbors as yourself, charity, respect your elders, etc.
That way even if we all are of different religions at least we have similar values that we share that can bridge the gaps that divide us, and also if there is a heaven/hell/ all supreme being that judges us in the end, maybe the judgment will go less harsh since we lived a good life, and if not, oh well

[Stark Evade]

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I'm not sure a heaven or hell exists, (I’m agnostic) but I know that somehow at currently or at one point in time, some higher power must have existed, because, logically speaking( although it sounds illogical) something must have always existed, in order to create everything else that did/does exist.

This just not true. Things just are. Filling gaps in knowledge with supernatural ideas is not very agnostic. Agnosticism is very much a product of the logic of the scientific method. It is not mere fence-sitting as some mistakenly believe.

[ara87]

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This just not true. Things just are. Filling gaps in knowledge with supernatural ideas is not very agnostic. Agnosticism is very much a product of the logic of the scientific method. It is not mere fence-sitting as some mistakenly believe.

Well i didn't say we should be good b/c there might be heaven, or at least that's not how i meant it. I just said we should be good to be good, and that if their is a heaven, all the good might help in that department.

[Stark Evade]

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Well i didn't say we should be good b/c there might be heaven, or at least that's not how i meant it. I just said we should be good to be good, and that if their is a heaven, all the good might help in that department.

My response was to your opinion that a God must have existed at some point. I did not address your comments on morality.

[Armanen]

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"For every action there is an equal, but opposite, reaction"

This also applies to what ara was trying to say.