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Originally posted by Anonymouse View PostYou cannot prove or disprove the existence of God (sorry Dusken). Either way what you are left with is a belief. I know atheists hate this but I cannot change it. That is the way it goes.
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Originally posted by jgk3 View PostWhat if your religion still prompted you to adhere to a quite secular scientific method in order to provide enhancements for society at large in productivity and learning, much like in the case of Confucianism?
Are logic and faith really diametrically opposed?
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Originally posted by ara87 View Postoh, i had taken you comment about fence sitting as referring to my own about in case there is a heaven. My logic in the reasoning that there must be, or has been a supernatural power was because something must have come before nothing, in order for everything else that exists to come into existence. Now whether it is a god(s) or an atom that expanded, or some other non biological matter, that's up for debate. But for me it makes sense that something must have existed before nothing, and the idea that there is or was a god(s) that came out of no where to create the universe make more sense to me at least, than just non biological matter appearing out of nowhere developing into the universe we know today
We do not know what came before the Big Bang, if anything at all, but one cannot say that it must be a god. That is very wrong. It is even wrong to say it is likely a god.
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Originally posted by Armanen View PostO ok. You are not an Armenian.
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Originally posted by Stark Evade View PostIt does not require the same amount of faith. You need to be more familiar with logic and maybe even Occam's Razor.
Science is not based on the senses of an individual.
I have already stated that science doesn't say anything is a 100%. You seem to not understand the goal of science and the fact that if it is shown that something is the best process for gaining knowledge and understanding, placing confidence in anything else is illogical.
Like I've said before logic and reason are fallible - never mind the fact that two people can be asked the same question and arrive at two different answers "logically".
I am not new to this. There isn't a single argument that is not fallacious.
It is generally agreed upon for concrete and logical reasons.
The same thing can be said about the Law of Gravity - it is something that we cannot see at this point. We can identify it as being a "force of energy" that makes planets orbit and such but we cannot say with certainty that it is completely True. We can only rely, on faith, that our senses are not decieving us and that what we are observing is actually happening.
By the way, I'm sure you know that all physical laws break down at the beginning of the universe, right?
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You cannot prove or disprove the existence of God (sorry Dusken). Either way what you are left with is a belief. I know atheists hate this but I cannot change it. That is the way it goes.
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I'm not a great fan of organized religion. In fact, it should be squashed and the sooner the better (for the reasons outlined below by others which I won't reiterate). The commies might have had the right idea *sigh*
That having been said, I do object to such staunch opposition to spirituality (and I mean that in a very general sense). After all, a prayer to (a however imaginary) God is akin to an artist's inspired reverie, or a poet's silent discourse with his Muse. The passion, the faith, the feeling of possibility should be held in the same esteem as typical religious fervor (slight sarcasm, sorry). And, as such, no religiosity should be bashed. Many an undertaking altering the history of mankind (from war to art and everything in between)has been made possible by the zealous "true believer" type. If his/her God didn't exist, perhaps all of humanity wouldn't have benefitted.
Anyway, to each his own, I suppose.
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