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Marxism, Origin, and Failure

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  • Marxism, Origin, and Failure

    To address the discredited -ism known as Marxism, it's imperative to look at the circumstances and what the idea itself owes its rise to - 19th century "Europe", for Marxism, probably more than any other "ism" laid the groundwork for one of the biggest slaughters that were to occur on the world scale, and left repercussions that we still feel today.

    Contrary to popular belief, ideas have consequences. The source of the misery and destruction caused by Marx's ideas is the fact that they are fundamentally false, false philosophically, economically and historically. In the instance of Marx's ideas, the true causal chain extends from his false metaphysical, epistemological and ethical premises, to his politics and economics, to the bloody history of the 20th century. This history included approximately 100 million innocent people slaughtered by their governments, millions more enslaved by their governments, international conflicts on an unprecedented scale, and an intellectual tradition that, at present, is thoroughly entrenched in the humanities in the cloak of "egalitarianism", the basis of the modern Western "welfare state" or better known as "democracy".

    It is imperative to understand this concept, for all history flows from it, especially the era during the prism of the 19th century, introducing al sorts of ideas to us, never before seen. To understand how history is created, one need look no further than 19th century Germany, as that is when "German history" was created since that is when "Germany" became a nation-state, as well as our modern concept of "history". From this era we have the -isms, systems of thought that already have their own structures. From this point on, the idea of history, was based on seperateness. The ideas we have now about the world and history, are essentially assumptions that developed in 19th century Europe, of Europeans, of the world, of meaning and of purpose. We have all these rabid thinkers trying to mold their little -ism into pamphlets and booklets, and it isn't coincidence that you have a man like Karl Marx, himself a product of bourgeios education, writing a critique of the bourgeois modes of production. Marx was also influenced by Adam Weishupt, another thinker, who formed the Bavarian Illuminati, and strangely enough, many of Marx's thoughts coincide with Mr. Weishupt, again from "Germany". Of course then they formed the Leage of the Just, which also prided itself on having Mr. Vladimir Illych Ulyanov ( Lenin ).

    The underlying epistemological error that Marx commits early in the Manifesto is the advocacy of a form of intellectual determinism and relativism which denies both free will and objectivity by claiming that the truth and falsehood of one's ideas bear no objective status and are determined by, and their truth relative to, one's economic class. Basically, since our thought is a product of our class, we are idiots and we cannot think, there is no free will, and there is no ability to make choice. So what Marx is doing is creating for us a prism of thought ( an -ism ) and is making us look at all history through that rigid structure. So what Marx goes on to do, in a single swoop, he himself rationalizes the destruction not only of entire fields, such as law, but of family, culture, free will, basically the entire intellectual tradition of thought and on which, ironically, he was entirely dependent for his own ideas.

    So Mr. Marx was brilliant in engineering a nice social tool for others to use and within a few months of power after the Bolsheviks took over Russia, Mr. Lenin quickly eliminated the "bourgeois notion" of law in practice by setting up a secret police, the Cheka, which controlled secret courts authorized to fix penalties i.e. without reference to written law or objective standards. The random killing of groups of people, linked by class status or profession immediately followed as a result. The "bourgeois notion" of freedom was eliminated by throwing those who were not murdered outright into camps. Of course, it's wise to note that the Bolsheviks wouldn't have succeeded if they were not funded by bankers from Wall Street. This little known ( rather little explored ) tid bit of history nails the death bed for Marxism and anything "Socialistic" since the entire Soviet State is based on this irony, that Jewish bankers from Wall Street had to funnel money to the Jewish Communists such as Lenin, Trotsky, or even Karl Radek. Of course when Jews in the 50s were heckled by the "anti-Communists" here in America, that is not without reason as the bulk of the Communist party to overthrow the Tsar was mostly Jewish. Even the Rosenbergs that gave nuclear secrets to the Soviets were Jewish. This should show beyond any doubt that identifying Jews with Communism wasn't anything delusional but rather factual. Marx himself came from a Jewish family, one with a long line of Rabbis. You see many teachings of Marxism are consonant with Jewish Mysticism which Marx was particularly fond of, of course he only based his ideas mostly from Mr. Adam Weishupt, another Jew. Why Jews flocked to Communism was partly strange, and partly because they were historically not in good terms with the Tsar who didn't like them, of course because they refused to adopt Christianity as well as being responsible for previous revolutions in the past as well which began as early as the 1890s before they succeeded in 1917.

    Hitler, of course, would soon apply the same methods laid out by Marx, on a larger scale in his "National Socialism," adapting the Soviet model to his own ideology by substituting the concept of race for class. Thus, in Marx's epistemological ideas, began the intellectual subjectivism, the moral relativism, and mass murder of the totalitarian governments in our century. The idea to eliminate "class culture" was further made a reality both in the Soviet Union and China, when Stalin and Mao, systematically butchered millions in their "Cultural Revolutions" in 1946 and 1966-67 respectively. During these intellectual purges, intellectuals, scientists and artists were killed or imprisoned, while their works were destroyed. Now, the idea of trying to abolish "private property" is as silly as trying to rid the world of roaches. You see, Marx attempted to change society by simply having private property abolished, but not that human tendency of greed, or incentive. So if man will not work for a commodity or incentive, Communism then states that the government will ensure that man will work with the gun which is a gross mutation of all that economics is. Economics takes into account that all progress has been based on competition and incentive, in short it takes account of individualism and that each individual is different. Marxism/Communism replaces individualism with the mass and its dead weight.

    Without going into the economic reasons why Marxism is silly, I will end my treatise. In short, ideas determine history, not the other way around. What Marx showed the world in his Communist Manifesto is not a noble theory that was misapplied in practice ( usually this is the defense claimed by Marxists ) , but a vicious theory that, when applied, led to unimagined human disaster and it is still with us today, in the revolutions that took place in Latin America, Nicaragua. It is therefore imperative to human well being that the "humanitarians" in our humanities departments replace all vestiges "Marxism" and "egalitarianism" since such ideas have been responsible for alot of the problems we have faced. On the contrary it was Emil Durkheim I believe that wrote in his "Division of Labor in Society" that capitalism was not a problem and would not fail, and only if the State interferes in Capitalism in the free market under laissez faire, will you have horrible results, which is the present situation.
    Achkerov kute.

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    well then, oh smart one, what would you suggest we do? a free for all no government chaos??
    The test of a first-rate intelligence is the ability to hold two opposing ideas in mind at the same time and still retain the ability to function. -- F. Scott Fitzgerald

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    • #3
      for you see, logical as everything you mentioned above all seems to me you and whoever else might be reading and has a level of intelligence a tad higher than that of a common chimp, you must remember that (unfortunately) a lot of the population that inhabits this earth has the intelligence level probably a tad LOWER than that of a common chimp and needs rules, regulations, 'do'es and 'do not's to keep them in line etc etc... need I say more? Dost thou protest against such government that through means too complicated to detail here provides you with that education with which in turn gives you pages upon endless pages of information to enlighten us all with??? =)
      Last edited by ckBejug; 11-30-2003, 10:14 PM.
      The test of a first-rate intelligence is the ability to hold two opposing ideas in mind at the same time and still retain the ability to function. -- F. Scott Fitzgerald

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      • #4
        Originally posted by ckBejug well then, oh smart one, what would you suggest we do? a free for all no government chaos??
        This was largely a post to a certain someone who displays Marxian tendecies and I merely thought of writing a critique on it. Once again youre jumping ahead here and assuming things. The xxxx you are raising isn't even xxxx I covered or gave attention to, my post was merely confined to Marxism its repercussions and its origin, now please stick to parameters and don't wander off into the land of assumptions and things I didn't state.

        From your above sentence one might assume you support Marxism. Either stick to what's there or don't post silly stuff. GOT IT!?!?
        Achkerov kute.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Anonymouse This was largely a post to a certain someone who displays Marxian tendecies and I merely thought of writing a critique on it. Once again youre jumping ahead here and assuming things. The xxxx you are raising isn't even xxxx I covered or gave attention to, my post was merely confined to Marxism its repercussions and its origin, now please stick to parameters and don't wander off into the land of assumptions and things I didn't state.

          From your above sentence one might assume you support Marxism. Either stick to what's there or don't post silly stuff. GOT IT!?!?

          SILLY STUFF


          so there!
          The test of a first-rate intelligence is the ability to hold two opposing ideas in mind at the same time and still retain the ability to function. -- F. Scott Fitzgerald

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          • #6
            Originally posted by ckBejug for you see, logical as everything you mentioned above all seems to me you and whoever else might be reading and has a level of intelligence a tad higher than that of a common chimp, you must remember that (unfortunately) a lot of the population that inhabits this earth has the intelligence level probably a tad LOWER than that of a common chimp and needs rules, regulations, 'do'es and 'do not's to keep them in line etc etc... need I say more? Dost thou protest against such government that through means too complicated to detail here provides you with that education with which in turn gives you pages upon endless pages of information to enlighten us all with??? =)
            Once again what the HELL are you talking about? Your post has nothing to do with what I talked about. Are you sure you read the right thread?
            Achkerov kute.

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            • #7
              forgive me, i was in need of a little sexual, ahm, i mean intellectual stimulation. I thought you wanted to incite deep thought, or maybe even a riot. I didn't realize your post was only meant to inform and not to provoke any kind of reponse.

              phfffft!

              this baby says it all!!

              The test of a first-rate intelligence is the ability to hold two opposing ideas in mind at the same time and still retain the ability to function. -- F. Scott Fitzgerald

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Anonymouse Once again what the HELL are you talking about? Your post has nothing to do with what I talked about. Are you sure you read the right thread?

                In that post I was refering to this line...

                ...if the State interferes in Capitalism in the free market under laissez faire, will you have horrible results, which is the present situation....

                by the state interfering I assumed you meant by putting rules and regulations on the free market. was I wrong?
                The test of a first-rate intelligence is the ability to hold two opposing ideas in mind at the same time and still retain the ability to function. -- F. Scott Fitzgerald

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                • #9
                  Please don't lower the intellectual caliber of this thread with baby pictures. I like eating dead babies and all. I even like dead baby jokes. Perhaps it deserves a thread of its own. But stick to the topic, dont poison this particular thread with chatroom style foruming. !!!!!!
                  Achkerov kute.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by ckBejug In that post I was refering to this line...

                    ...if the State interferes in Capitalism in the free market under laissez faire, will you have horrible results, which is the present situation....

                    by the state interfering I assumed you meant by putting rules and regulations on the free market. was I wrong?
                    Yes, you are right, the State is a monopoly of law and order, my whole beef is privatize it, to foster competition. The Central State we have no is socialistic, and that is a lasting effect left from Marxian thought.

                    Now this isn't about having no rules or regulations, how many of you pencil necks are going to keep confusing my posts for having no rules? Even in prior posts I never argued for lawlessness, lol but leave it to the humanoids to mutate xxxx out of proportion.
                    Achkerov kute.

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