The Ultimate End

[violette829]

THIS IS A DEPRESSING SUBJECT...What can be so wrong with ur life? How selfish do u have to be to want to be dead? Does anyone ever care about what their family will be going through if they actually succeed in the attempt? I feel that it is ur xxxxing DUTY to struggle and stay alive like all of us are...Don't take the easy way out...

Phewwwww...this post just wore me out!

[sSsflamesSs]

Originally posted by violette829 THIS IS A DEPRESSING SUBJECT...What can be so wrong with ur life? How selfish do u have to be to want to be dead? Does anyone ever care about what their family will be going through if they actually succeed in the attempt? I feel that it is ur xxxxing DUTY to struggle and stay alive like all of us are...Don't take the easy way out...

Phewwwww...this post just wore me out!

That's why suicide is for the weak. Although many have contemplated attempting it, few have actually committed it.

[Arvestaked]

Originally posted by Arvestaked SexyAries: If you want to be dead, what is stopping you? Because it is up to you. If you are not dead, it is because you do not want to be. The reason for me, other than my fear of death, is to not hurt my close family. But it is still my decision.

Violette: This, again, can be reffered back to the idea that there is no such thing as selflessness on its own; that selflessness is a type of selfishness. Staying alive for your family is selfish as well.

In addition, using the phrase "easy way out" bothers me. That phrase is used in a context where the harder route is more rewarding in the end. And I know one can argue that in this case, but I think that would be wrong. The reward is after the route. But here after the route is nothingness; no perception. So if one feels that life is too painful and that there is nothing after death, there can be no arguement against such a decision. With the scientific view, there are no post-death drawbacks to suicide.

[violette829]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Arvestaked [B]Violette: Staying alive for your family is selfish as well.

What????? Uh the last time I checked, that was the definition of SELFLESSNESS......

I'm not saying that that's the only reason why one should stay alive..I'm merely suggesting that it's not fair to want to die...IT'S SELFISH.....get it/>

[Arvestaked]

Originally posted by sSsflamesSs That's why suicide is for the weak. Although many have contemplated attempting it, few have actually committed it.

I used to think that way when I was young, but...

In the words of Red from The Shawshank Redemtion: "Every man has his breaking point."



I believe you have quoted Red before.

[violette829]

Hey Arvest.......What does ur quote about golf mean? I might be stupid, sorry

[jahannam]

Originally posted by violette829

What????? Uh the last time I checked, that was the definition of SELFLESSNESS......

there is no selflessness.
the mere desire to be "selfless" makes one selfish, for achieving it would satisfy one's self.

[violette829]

AHAAAAAAA Oh Great One...u have made a valid point...

Now, stop making these points, for u are making me look stupid.
Thank UUUUUUUUUU


PS: Hey I hope I didn't set u into ATTACK MODE again....

[Arvestaked]

Originally posted by violette829 Hey Arvest.......What does ur quote about golf mean? I might be stupid, sorry

You are not stupid. It is a line from Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas.

However...
Re: Selfishness:
Jahannam and I are right.

[sSsflamesSs]

Originally posted by jahannam there is no selflessness.
the mere desire to be "selfless" makes one selfish, for achieving it would satisfy one's self.

We've discussed this before in a thread dedicated to this subject, and yes, there's no such thing as a selfless act, even between a mother and her child.