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  • #21
    I think that there are different ways of looking at nationalism.


    As for Armenians, I think that as far as nationalism goes, they have a sense of pride in their land, and their culture. not exactly their government.

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    • #22
      Originally posted by spiral I think that there are different ways of looking at nationalism.


      As for Armenians, I think that as far as nationalism goes, they have a sense of pride in their land, and their culture. not exactly their government.
      Nationalism goes hand in hand with government. Its a recent creation and has led to nothing but destruction on a human scale.
      Achkerov kute.

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      • #23
        Very true spiral, however nationalism also divides us in separate groups each one claiming thier righteous descent. Also this nationalism is the main reason for the animosity towards Turks as civilians rather than the Turkish Government. Nationalism is a major contributor to the culture through art, music, literature and language, but it also a poison to the objective perspective and a major factor of anger and hostility. Many wars were a result of nationalism.

        Anon, you are missing my point. Nationalism was the core of the war in the first place and draft is a result of that, however what I am focusing on here is the corruption in the military system of Armenia during those years. People invested into nationalism differently some believed in enriching the country with beauty of art, some by fighting for land and other by spitting in the streets. I am discussing the draft system and it's flaws pertaining to Emils fear of the draft. You are going off on a historical and philosophical tangent.

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        • #24
          Originally posted by anileve Very true spiral, however nationalism also divides us in separate groups each one claiming thier righteous descent. Also this nationalism is the main reason for the animosity towards Turks as civilians rather than the Turkish Government. Nationalism is a major contributor to the culture through art, music, literature and language, but it also a poison to the objective perspective and a major factor of anger and hostility. Many wars were a result of nationalism.

          Anon, you are missing my point. Nationalism was the core of the war in the first place and draft is a result of that, however what I am focusing on here is the corruption in the military system of Armenia during those years. People invested into nationalism differently some believed in enriching the country with beauty of art, some by fighting for land and other by spitting in the streets. I am discussing the draft system and it's flaws pertaining to Emils fear of the draft. You are going off on a historical and philosophical tangent.
          Nationalism is a contributor to culture? What are you smoking? Apparently you are choosing to ignore thousands of years of history before the Enlightenment.
          Achkerov kute.

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          • #25
            Originally posted by Anonymouse Nationalism is a contributor to culture? What are you smoking? Apparently you are choosing to ignore thousands of years of history before the Enlightenment.
            Ok, this is for the extremely stubborn ones, unless you can disclaim this definition as well.

            this is a definition from the dictionary:

            nationalism n.
            Devotion to the interests or culture of one's nation.

            Isn't it what I said?

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            • #26
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              • #27
                I'm the "other way around".
                I was Born in California.
                my dad missed his business too much, so we moved to Haleb, Syria (Baron's birthplace) when I was one.

                I was raised there, visiting the States every other summer or so.
                eventually moved to California 5 and a half years ago.
                where do I like better?
                it depends.
                if we're talking luxury, obviously here, for you get to see and have whatever you want whenever you want it IF and only IF you have money.
                but if we're talking people, definitely backhome.
                for some reason America seems to change people to selfish, arrogant, "i'm a super human being" kinda people.
                I miss the humbleness, the friendliness and the warmth of being around people who care. I really do.
                I haven't even started talking about how much more ARMENIAN spirited armos were back there.
                but it all goes back to what Baron said...
                Haiastan all the way!
                I went to Haiastan for the first time in 2002. man oh man.
                lets just say I'm going back also. NEVER to come back, specially to this disgustingly overmaterialistic state.
                oh yeah. and Bush sux!
                allright i'm done.

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                • #28
                  Unfortunately you can't have best of both worlds, thus you must choose one to best suit your needs or desires. Such is life, there must be a balance, otherwise if Utopia like country existed it would tear at the seams from overpopulation.

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                  • #29
                    Originally posted by anileve Ok, this is for the extremely stubborn ones, unless you can disclaim this definition as well.

                    this is a definition from the dictionary:

                    nationalism n.
                    Devotion to the interests or culture of one's nation.

                    Isn't it what I said?
                    noun: the conviction that the culture and interests of your nation are superior to those of any other nation
                    noun: love of country and willingness to sacrifice for it


                    You can still love your culture, and people have thousands of years prior to the idea of nationalism which is consonant with CENTRAL GOVERNMENTS that rose out of 19th century.

                    You can either accept it for what its worth or continue insisting that somehow nationalism has provided all these wonderful things for culture.
                    Achkerov kute.

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                    • #30
                      Originally posted by jahannam I'm the "other way around".
                      I was Born in California.
                      my dad missed his business too much, so we moved to Haleb, Syria (Baron's birthplace) when I was one.

                      I was raised there, visiting the States every other summer or so.
                      eventually moved to California 5 and a half years ago.
                      where do I like better?
                      it depends.
                      if we're talking luxury, obviously here, for you get to see and have whatever you want whenever you want it IF and only IF you have money.
                      but if we're talking people, definitely backhome.
                      for some reason America seems to change people to selfish, arrogant, "i'm a super human being" kinda people.
                      I miss the humbleness, the friendliness and the warmth of being around people who care. I really do.
                      I haven't even started talking about how much more ARMENIAN spirited armos were back there.
                      but it all goes back to what Baron said...
                      Haiastan all the way!
                      I went to Haiastan for the first time in 2002. man oh man.
                      lets just say I'm going back also. NEVER to come back, specially to this disgustingly overmaterialistic state.
                      oh yeah. and Bush sux!
                      allright i'm done.
                      Thats what all empires materialize to anyway. One can see the parellel in Rome during Late Antiquity, especially in Tacitus' "Germania" where he describes the barbarians but at the same time is offering a subtle critique of the Roman society.
                      Achkerov kute.

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