Should marijuana be legalized?

[jahannam]

Re: Should marijuana be legalized?

Originally posted by TigranJamharian i hear a lot of debates and a lot of my friends xxxxx and moan all day and they use the same excuse that anon used by saying how alchohol and tylenol and nicotine and all these things are drugs too and htat weed doesnt harm anyone but i think its all bullxxxx. anyway i want to see what you guys think about this.

Tigran...
let Anon and the like say whatever they want.
you take a tylenol pill, 2-3-4 pills, nothing happens.
you smoke a pack of cigarettes , you just stink, that's all that happens.
now you take 4 puffs of marjuana and you're somewhere else... and you stop realizing what you're doing.
we're not taking addiction here. I think that's what anon meant. yes you do get addicted to all of the above.. but the consequences of each one are different.
you can't legalize marjuana. otherwise your boss, your coworker, your mom and dad and your teacher would be high, and you would be able to do NOthing about it.

[Arvestaked]

I am have never smoked marijuana nor have I done any other illegal drug and I probably never will, but from my experience, it does not seem like marijuana usage is as bad as alcohol abuse. Marijuana and other drugs can be regulated just like alcohol is: you cannot drink and drive, you cannot be intoxicated at work, public drunkeness is an offense, you cannot purchase alcohol below a certain age, etc. Plus, the more people that o.d., the better it is. We need to stop trying to keep people from harming themselves. Plus we would get a lot of people out of the prison system, saving us a xxxx of a lot of money.

[jahannam]

Originally posted by Arvestaked I am have never smoked marijuana nor have I done any other illegal drug and I probably never will, but from my experience, it does not seem like marijuana usage is as bad as alcohol abuse. Marijuana and other drugs can be regulated just like alcohol is: you cannot drink and drive, you cannot be intoxicated at work, public drunkeness is an offense, you cannot purchase alcohol below a certain age, etc. Plus, the more people that o.d., the better it is. We need to stop trying to keep people from harming themselves. Plus we would get a lot of people out of the prison system, saving us a xxxx of a lot of money.

yes.
so then the question would be...
should we ILLEGALIZE alcohol?
I thought we were trying to make this world a better place

[felizitation]

Originally posted by Arvestaked I am have never smoked marijuana nor have I done any other illegal drug and I probably never will, but from my experience, it does not seem like marijuana usage is as bad as alcohol abuse. Marijuana and other drugs can be regulated just like alcohol is: you cannot drink and drive, you cannot be intoxicated at work, public drunkeness is an offense, you cannot purchase alcohol below a certain age, etc. Plus, the more people that o.d., the better it is. We need to stop trying to keep people from harming themselves. Plus we would get a lot of people out of the prison system, saving us a xxxx of a lot of money.

Dude, that is what I was saying by (same remark for jahannam)
"Finally, government should create a complete law infrastructure which is also difficult, since smoking is an habbit an may impact on many fields (driving, working, smoking in the street etc...)" (quoting myself)

By the way, weed does not breed dependance, and thus does not make you want stronger drugs. On the other side, if you unable a dealer to sell you weed, he will sell you crack. I'm a smoker since 9 years, I've never taken any pill of any kind, or any other drugs. I haven't smoked for 2 months, and don't feel despressive.

should legalise cannabis, but put a lot of money into dedterring people from it.

that is not so ridiculous, since it is what's happening for alcohol and cigarettes. In France, they have "understood" (hahaha) the mistake: we had lacked of education concerning this. We try now to teach people how to cope with these habbits from childhood.

[Arvestaked]

The world will be fine. The governments will have more money to spend on protecting people instead of taking away our freedom of choice. A deer has the choice to walk up to a marijuana plant and start eating it but we do not? The world is never going to be perfect no matter what you do, but wasting money on this nonsense is not helping. Plus we need population control.

[felizitation]

Originally posted by Arvestaked The world will be fine. The governments will have more money to spend on protecting people instead of taking away our freedom of choice. A deer has the choice to walk up to a marijuana plant and start eating it but we do not? The world is never going to be perfect no matter what you do, but wasting money on this nonsense is not helping. Plus we need population control.

I agree with you, but we have to cope with governments now.
I agree with the fact that it is for the government a beautiful investment.
But i didn't give my point of view. I just want weed to be tolerated, not legalized. This nuance is important since, as you said, taking ownership of these kind of pleasures is an attack on the freedom of choice.

However, i don't want a stone/drunk/"whatever drugged" guy to drive.
So what do you think ? how do you think we may increase the "general satisfaction" ?

[patlajan]

Originally posted by Arvestaked The world will be fine. The governments will have more money to spend on protecting people instead of taking away our freedom of choice. A deer has the choice to walk up to a marijuana plant and start eating it but we do not? The world is never going to be perfect no matter what you do, but wasting money on this nonsense is not helping. Plus we need population control.

One can not become high from eating hemp. A deer doesn't know how to make marijuana. Where are you going with this argument?

[Arvestaked]

Why do I have to spoon feed you the concepts? The technical aspect is unimportant.

[Anonymouse]

Originally posted by felizitation Concerning marijuana, I agree with the fact that there exists some examples of countries where legalization was undertaken, or at least weed tolerated, and everything was (almost) alright. (Holland, Spain, Portugal, France, Switzerland, Germany, Belgium...)

Saying that weed is harmless is completely false, it depends completely on the usages. If you smoke 150 cigarettes a day, drink 1 bottles whysky at each lunch, you life expectancy will be reduced to 0.
If you're stoned from morning to evening, it should have consequences on your body. It's a naive-pretty-anarchist pretext.

The fact is that people has never learned to control this pleasure. This education is the role of the government which decide to legalize, it's under its responsability.
This is why in several countries in Europe, weed is tolerated but not legalized, except for Holland. Legalizing suppose creating a complete system to have the perfect control on the behaviours around this stuff. It needs time and money, at least for the system to be created.

Now, another problem is that if the government takes control of this market, the actual dealers would deal other stuff. One says in France that is will explode the suburbs. It opens the door to really really xxxxty drugs, the better candidate being the crack (easy, cheap, and disastrous consequences on the brain).

Finally, government should create a complete law infrastructure which is also difficult, since smoking is an habbit an may impact on many fields (driving, working, smoking in the street etc...)

So, it's not so easy

Well obviously it has effects on your body, so does everything else. Breathing L.A. hair has effects on our body Jesus, do you think we are totally exclusive and isolated from our surroundings and what we encounter on earth? The argument goes that weed is far more harmless than alcohol is on your body, and who or what is the government that should say what you can or can't smoke? Cigarettes are far more harmful yet they are legal.

If I have property, and technically speaking if it is my property, I paid for it, I can do whatever I want in my property. When I go out of my weigh, and tell my neighbors what they should or shouldn't do, then you have politics, which is what 90% of the people are into, such as you, making claims of what the government should or shouldn't do. The government is the last entity on earth that I would want to correct me, since it is the most immoral and hypocritical.

[Anonymouse]

Originally posted by Shahumyan should legalise cannabis, but put a lot of money into dedterring people from it.

In a socialist society, there would be less stress anyway, so less need for the 'erb.

Im not a regular smoker, but i'll have it now and again, at a party or two, but i think it easily leads to other drugs, which is bad

Speak for yourself. I have encountered many people at parties sniffing that yayo crap and I've been offered numerous times, and always decline. None of that xxxx is goin up my nose.