Richard Dawkins interview with Bill O'Reilly

[hipeter924]

Re: Richard Dawkins interview with Bill O'Reilly

"What are you laughing at? You are laughing at yourself, oh you!" (Gogol)

No I am laughing because you sound exactly like the caller in the video link I just sent you. I have stopped arguing with you because you aren't worth it.

[hipeter924]

Re: Richard Dawkins interview with Bill O'Reilly

It's too bad they only get the dumb callers on those shows... I guess that makes it easier to argue their case.


As far as Abiogenesis goes.... Evolution contradicts the Laws of Science, particularly the Law of Biogenesis.

There has been no scientific evidence that life has been produced through any scientific experiment. Not in any lab or any experiment. This exists only in the minds of evolutionists in the form of wishful thinking. The only thing that scientists have managed to accomplish is the creation of a few strands of amino acids.... with the help of electricity of course.

Even if that is true Kanada its the closest thing we have that doesn't quote the bible and discredited scientists as 'irrefutable' scientific proof is the theory of evolution.

It is true that many people in the US, UK and Canada support creationism, but in the other parts of the world the theory of evolution is being (especially by the Catholic church) re-organised around Christian beliefs, and being shown to be not against Christianity at all.

Creationism basically only exists as a theory in the US, UK and Canada. In the rest of the world it is being swept away by the theory of evolution and this is by theists, agnostics and atheists, especially in Western (excluding the AG denying UK) and Eastern Europe , Asia and Australasia.

[axel]

The whole idea, in the Western world, that the universe is rational is based on a religious foundation, mainly Christianity. Furthermore, most of science in its development has been understood in the context in how God created things. Here is a quote from Sir Isaac Newton:

“It became Him (God) who created it to set it in order; and if he did so, it is unphilosophical to seek for any other origin of the world, or to pretend that it might arise out of a chaos by the mere laws of Nature.”

I concurr. I've posted a related quote by Florensky:

http://forum.hyeclub.com/showpost.php?p=286868&postcount=2

No I am laughing because you sound exactly like the caller in the video link I just sent you. I have stopped arguing with you because you aren't worth it.

all right.

[axel]

Re: Richard Dawkins interview with Bill O'Reilly

Out of curiosity, how does one overcome the solipsist hypothesis, if not by a leap of faith?
I don't see any rational construction whatsoever that may invalidate it without appealing to a creed of some sort.
I ask the question to those who hold themselves to be superior in intelligence. I hope they will have the kindness to answer me (in spite of my unworthiness) in a way I find both understandable and irrefutable.

[Haykakan]

Re: Richard Dawkins interview with Bill O'Reilly

"As for your dislike of Christianity, I must say Christianity is inherently attached to the Armenian soul, culture and being. It is being felt everywhere in Armenia and it's beautiful. Haven't you noticed that?"

Any religion can be both beutiful and very ugly, it all depends on what people do with it. Armenia also has a rich peagan heritage which still exists and is being observed along with chrystianity. As i said befor one can argue that Armenia made chrystianity not the other way around. Chrystianity is just another religion, there is nothing at all special or unique about it. The things i hear from those claiming to be chrystian men of god is as disturbing as those coming from the worst islamic fanatics or xxxish racists-even worst our chrystian-Armenian "men of god" like to blame the victims-our grandperants for the genocide that befell them. One such idiot said on april 24 that our grandparents deserved the genocide because they were not faithfull enough. Such idiotic rhetoric is typical of any religion including chrystianity, religion breeds ignorence, racism, discrimination...-these are in its nature. The dumbass justifying the genocide of his own people was put in power by like minded idiots who think like he does and they try to teach us these idiotic beliefs while ostrocising those who dont play along. There is nothing special or beutiful about these people, they make a living doing the same thing every week and treat their positin in the church like the job that it is.

[axel]

Re: Richard Dawkins interview with Bill O'Reilly

Your critique is that of human feebleness. It doesn't have anything to do with God.

[Lucin]

Re: Richard Dawkins interview with Bill O'Reilly

Any religion can be both beutiful and very ugly, it all depends on what people do with it. Armenia also has a rich peagan heritage which still exists and is being observed along with chrystianity. As i said befor one can argue that Armenia made chrystianity not the other way around. Chrystianity is just another religion, there is nothing at all special or unique about it. The things i hear from those claiming to be chrystian men of god is as disturbing as those coming from the worst islamic fanatics or xxxish racists-even worst our chrystian-Armenian "men of god" like to blame the victims-our grandperants for the genocide that befell them. One such idiot said on april 24 that our grandparents deserved the genocide because they were not faithfull enough. Such idiotic rhetoric is typical of any religion including chrystianity, religion breeds ignorence, racism, discrimination...-these are in its nature. The dumbass justifying the genocide of his own people was put in power by like minded idiots who think like he does and they try to teach us these idiotic beliefs while ostrocising those who dont play along. There is nothing special or beutiful about these people, they make a living doing the same thing every week and treat their positin in the church like the job that it is.

Christianity is not to blame for the idiocy, barbarity and ignorance of some. Those anomalities are typical of people of any race, culture or religion. It happens in the non-religeous West as well.

The pagan culture is present in Armenia as well and it's beautiful but it is not as strong and notable as the Christian one.

[hipeter924]

Re: Richard Dawkins interview with Bill O'Reilly

Christianity is not to blame for the idiocy, barbarity and ignorance of some. Those anomalities are typical of people of any race, culture or religion. It happens in the non-religeous West as well.

The pagan culture is present in Armenia as well and it's beautiful but it is not as strong and notable as the Christian one.

Personally some days I feel like the world would be a much better place without religion, these days are when I hear of religious extremism and intolerance, attacks on science, and disregard for human rights in some religions. So to be honest sometimes I 100% agree with Dawkins views that effectively religious is dangerous and damaging and has no value to society.

But most of the time and as a whole I tolerate and respect people's right to their beliefs and ideologies. I am basically a pacifist so I would never hurt another human being except in self defence, so I am fundamentally opposed to anyone who uses violence or force to defend/attack beliefs/ideologies.

I truly believe Secularism is the best way to go, simply because if the whole world was Secular and all religions were free to practice and also tolerated each other then the world would be a much safer, freer and happier place and the religious aspects of conflicts such as Palestine/Israel and even Turkey/Azerbaijan vs Armenia would not be as dangerous or severe.

[Lucin]

Re: Richard Dawkins interview with Bill O'Reilly

Personally some days I feel like the world would be a much better place without religion, these days are when I hear of religious extremism and intolerance, attacks on science, and disregard for human rights in some religions. So to be honest sometimes I 100% agree with Dawkins views that effectively religious is dangerous and damaging and has no value to society.

Haven't some of the bloodiest wars in history been led by 'secular' states? Again if idiots misinterprete, misuse or abuse of religion, the problem is to be searched somewhere else.

I truly believe Secularism is the best way to go, simply because if the whole world was Secular and all religions were free to practice and also tolerated each other then the world would be a much safer, freer and happier place and the religious aspects of conflicts such as Palestine/Israel and even Turkey/Azerbaijan vs Armenia would not be as dangerous or severe.

The Palestino-Israeli conflict is not stemmed from religious fundementalism in my opinion. Palestine has been occupied by a bunch of racist, godless murderers who feel like home whereever they go.

[hipeter924]

Re: Richard Dawkins interview with Bill O'Reilly

Haven't some of the bloodiest wars in history been led by 'secular' states? Again if idiots misinterprete, misuse or abuse of religion, the problem is to be searched somewhere else.



The Palestino-Israeli conflict is not stemmed from religious fundementalism in my opinion. Palestine has been occupied by a bunch of racist, godless murderers who feel like home whereever they go.

Secularism means a separation of church and state. Most states are Secular in Europe and Asia, but it depends per country on how well the division is made. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secularity

Common misconceptions (before you ask):

1) In fact Hitler was a Roman Catholic (or at least claimed to be) and he said in one of this speeches "We were convinced that the people need and require this faith. We have therefore undertaken the fight against the atheistic movement, and that not merely with a few theoretical declarations: we have stamped it out." It's quite funny when such speeches exist that they still call Hitler an Atheist. http://atheism.about.com/od/isatheis...lerAtheist.htm

2) Turkey calls itself Secular, but obviously isn't due to the fact there is heavy Islamic influence in the running of the State (discriminatory policies on basis of religion against Christians and so forth).

3) The USSR was by no means Secular, the idea was not to simply separate religion and state but to destroy religion. Under Secularism the goal is not to destroy religion.

As for Israel/Palestine it is deeply grounded in religion, whether you call them godless the reality is that the motivations are always grounded on religion. When people put out the concept of Israel becoming Secular (and thus tolerant of other faiths...the horror) Israeli Religious Nationalists rant on about "we have to keep the xxxish State" in order to stop the nation becoming Secular.

During the deportations and ethnic cleansing during and prior to the Israeli war of independence that made way for the establishment of a xxxish state, they had no respect for religion and pushed the Palestinians ("weren't xxxs") out on basis of race. But then again they saw themselves as having a god given right to the land so that is why they did so.