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  • Re: Religion and Atheism

    Originally posted by KanadaHye View Post
    That's because they had the knowledge at one point and didn't need Christ until they strayed from God and starting behaving wickedly.
    so are you saying that there was a moment in history that all human beings believed in the god of Abraham?

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    • Re: Religion and Atheism

      Originally posted by KarotheGreat View Post
      so are you saying that there was a moment in history that all human beings believed in the god of Abraham?
      Not all, there were probably tribes disconnected from the Abrahamic people.
      "Nobody can give you freedom. Nobody can give you equality or justice or anything. If you're a man, you take it." ~Malcolm X

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      • Re: Religion and Atheism

        Originally posted by KanadaHye View Post
        That's because they had the knowledge at one point and didn't need Christ until they strayed from God and starting behaving wickedly.
        So you're saying they had some innate knowledge that you are attributing to a deity?
        [COLOR=#4b0082][B][SIZE=4][FONT=trebuchet ms]“If you think you can, or you can’t, you’re right.”
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        • Re: Religion and Atheism

          Originally posted by Siggie View Post
          So you're saying they had some innate knowledge that you are attributing to a deity?
          Either that or they found a stash of popular science.
          "Nobody can give you freedom. Nobody can give you equality or justice or anything. If you're a man, you take it." ~Malcolm X

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          • Re: Religion and Atheism

            Before I get dragged down in any discussion about whether or not animals are "intelligent", we would have to establish what intelligence means. The Turing Test defines it using a human for comparison. If that is your definition of intelligence, then sure, no other animal is intelligent since obviously other animals are not human.

            HOWEVER, as Siggie said, that is a very different statement than ability to have thoughts, memory, make informed decisions, plan, and even trick! Yes, my cat can trick me and run out of the house by pretending she doesn't want to. You want to call this "instinct and memory" .. sure ... call it instinct and memory. The behavior however is very intelligent.

            The reason this conversation will go nowhere is because there is no good definition of intelligence. Armenians would love to claim that playing chess well is a sign of intelligence. But then humans get their asses kicked in chess by computers. Does it mean computers are intelligent? I don't know.
            this post = teh win.

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            • Re: Religion and Atheism

              Yes and for the record I don't need Christianity to teach me I like boobs.
              this post = teh win.

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              • Re: Religion and Atheism

                Originally posted by Sip View Post
                Yes and for the record I don't need Christianity to teach me I like boobs.
                What if you were born in Ancient Greece and they handed you to a man at the age of 12 and you liked it?
                "Nobody can give you freedom. Nobody can give you equality or justice or anything. If you're a man, you take it." ~Malcolm X

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                • Re: Religion and Atheism

                  Originally posted by KanadaHye View Post
                  Either that or they found a stash of popular science.
                  You said sexual orientation is a choice and now you're saying it's innate. These are contradictory beliefs.


                  Originally posted by Sip View Post
                  Yes and for the record I don't need Christianity to teach me I like boobs.
                  Originally posted by KanadaHye View Post
                  What if you were born in Ancient Greece and they handed you to a man at the age of 12 and you liked it?
                  I should hope not, Sip.

                  I haven't seen any research about this particularly, however based on anecdotal evidence, I think that just as heterosexual children recall crushes and things from early childhood (indications that they knew their orientation then), many homosexuals recall knowing as children that they were attracted to the same sex.
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                  • Re: Religion and Atheism

                    Originally posted by Siggie View Post
                    Do you mean that if Christianity didn't teach people that it's wrong to be gay then guys would be trying to plug other men's holes? Really?! You can say this is what you believe with a straight face?
                    No, but you have to have the mentality of a man to understand what I said (I should have put a smiley I suppose). Even a hole in a wall can be good try (just kidding).

                    Seriously though Christianity gives us the best moral compass (compared to worshipping objects and Gods before Christianity), Religion has always been around since man walked this earth. Men always need some guidance, protocol, marching order, some structure, belief, etc.. or it can become very ugly very quick, from Cannibalism to homosexuality and everything else goes.


                    And mother nature doesn't make mistakes?!
                    Umm... Cleft palates, down syndrome, heart abnormalities, etc. What's that about? "Mother Nature" intends for some children to be retarded?
                    .
                    Mother Nature does not make a mistake. A human being is a perfectly design machine including all living creatures and species who have survived the test of time. Sickness and birth defects are caused by other means (can be also a way of nature to separate the strong from the weak...law of the jungle baby). Look at a human hand that can wheel a sword or built structures or pick up a small pin, it is a marvel of engineering.



                    What size Boobs is more than what a mans hand can handle?

                    Manswers:

                    Most men have hands that are no larger than 7.5 inches across, and even though men prefer to handle a D cup (10 inchs across) the extensive field testing has shown that anything larger than a B cub is more than a handful.


                    You guys are too serious.
                    B0zkurt Hunter

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                    • Re: Religion and Atheism

                      Originally posted by Eddo211 View Post
                      No, but you have to have the mentality of a man to understand what I said (I should have put a smiley I suppose). Even a hole in a wall can be good try (just kidding).
                      I understood what you were saying.

                      Originally posted by Eddo211 View Post
                      Seriously though Christianity gives us the best moral compass (compared to worshipping objects and Gods before Christianity), Religion has always been around since man walked this earth. Men always need some guidance, protocol, marching order, some structure, belief, etc.. or it can become very ugly very quick, from Cannibalism to homosexuality and everything else goes.
                      This is about morality... So, if somehow you conclusively found out today that there's no god, do you think you'd run out and start killing and cooking people?
                      If that's the sort of person you are, PLEASE hold on tightly to your religious beliefs. Religion has been around because there's an inclination (supported by MRI evidence recently) that this tendency toward this type of belief is hard-wired. Just because people have believed, doesn't make it true though.
                      Just as you'd have no problem saying those early religions were false.


                      Originally posted by Eddo211 View Post
                      Mother Nature does not make a mistake. A human being is a perfectly design machine including all living creatures and species who have survived the test of time. Sickness and birth defects are caused by other means (can be also a way of nature to separate the strong from the weak...law of the jungle baby). Look at a human hand that can wheel a sword or built structures or pick up a small pin, it is a marvel of engineering.
                      Seriously, learn more about the body. Who would design people to eat and breathe through the same opening? That's marvelous engineering?
                      Peeing and having sex with the same organ or the organ next door? And one of my favorites because the creationists love to talk about how amazing the eye is... the eye is freaking backwards and it causes problems (e.g. a blind spot). These things fit evolutionary theory better than design.

                      Also, swords, and things were invented by people with those hands. The opposable thumb is handy for grabbing things, yes... and those with one would be favored, would survive, and would pass their opposable thumb genes on. P.S. our nearest relatives have them too.

                      Anything that evolved IN a particular environment would seem perfectly suited for that environment. Super obvious, no?

                      What size Boobs is more than what a mans hand can handle?

                      Manswers:

                      Most men have hands that are no larger than 7.5 inches across, and even though men prefer to handle a D cup (10 inchs across) the extensive field testing has shown that anything larger than a B cub is more than a handful.


                      You guys are too serious.
                      Damn... I'm being wasteful.
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