What does HYE mean?

[Folk]

Hi friends, I registered in this forum many days before. But I realized that I didn't know what the name of this forum mean.

Can you explain what HYE is? Is it in Armenian?

By the way, I am not Armenian and I can't speak your language.

Peace..

[KanadaHye]

Re: What does HYE mean?

Hi friends, I registered in this forum many days before. But I realized that I didn't know what the name of this forum mean.

Can you explain what HYE is? Is it in Armenian?

By the way, I am not Armenian and I can't speak your language.

Peace..

HYE is the the Armenian word for "Armenian"

[TheSARSVolta]

Re: What does HYE mean?

Hi friends, I registered in this forum many days before. But I realized that I didn't know what the name of this forum mean.

Can you explain what HYE is? Is it in Armenian?

By the way, I am not Armenian and I can't speak your language.

Peace..

To the best of my understanding, 'Hye' is from the root word of Hayastan... which translates to 'Armenia' in the Armenian language. For example, the same way Germans refer to themselves as Deutsch/Germany as Deutschland.

But I too, cannot speak Armenian.

[Catharsis]

Re: What does HYE mean?

Hay or Hye if you wish (pronounced like the English word high) derives from the Armenian kingdom of Haya which is recorded in 2,600 BC in the Ebla inscriptions (along with the chief deity Hay-Ea-Enki). Armenia is also mentioned as Hay(asa)-Azzi in the Hittite inscriptions of second millennium BC.

[Folk]

Re: What does HYE mean?

I see... Thanks for your help.

[jgk3]

Re: What does HYE mean?

Hay or Hye if you wish (pronounced like the English word high) derives from the Armenian kingdom of Haya which is recorded in 2,600 BC in the Ebla inscriptions (along with the chief deity Hay-Ea-Enki). Armenia is also mentioned as Hay(asa)-Azzi in the Hittite inscriptions of second millennium BC.

There is no evidence that the hayasa were the same thing as Hayk/Hay.

There are only shreds of of details about the Hayasa social organization, for example, this correspondence between the Great King Suppiluliuamas and Hakkini (a king or prince of the Hayasa) :

In a treaty signed with Hakkani, Suppiluliuma I mentions a series of obligations of civil right:

"My sister, whom I gave you in marriage has sisters; through your marriage, they now become your relatives. Well, there is a law in the land of the Hatti. Do not approach sisters, your sisters-in law or your cousins; that is not permitted. In Hatti Land, whosoever commits such an act does not live; he dies. In your country, you do not hesitate to marry your own sister, sister-in law or cousin, because you are not civilized. Such an act cannot be permitted in Hatti."

We also have some evidence of battles between the Hittites and the Hayasa. But regarding their culture and their LANGUAGE we know nothing.

Thus, equating Hayk with the Hayasa is just speculative. The Hayasa apparently were not based neatly in the core of the Armenian highlands, especially not where Urartu sprang up around lake Van (with important centers also in Erebuni (Yerevan) and Artsakh.)

Hayasa was probably around the northeastern shore of the Black Sea in Anatolia: http://armenian-history.com/Nyuter/H...d%20others.jpg

If you want to suggest that the name Hay comes from them, you must show more evidence supporting it as plausible.

I'm not advocating that Armenian history begins in the 6th century with the Orontids, but I am also fed up of Armenians trying to piggy-back into remote history with utmost certainty by claiming direct descent from such little known civilizations as the Hayasa, and even the Hurrians (though it is plausible to me that we assimilated a great deal of the later's culture and we have some important loan words from a very old strata of our language's history)

The best thing we could possibly do in dealing with the Hayasa academically is to find attestation of their language, which we have not. The fact that we haven't alone renders the popular tactic of relating their name to "Hay" in Armenian worthless, as we cannot appreciate their phonology, we don't even know what language family they come from, and we don't even know their self-designated name (their name Hayasa is only attested in Hittite and perhaps Elba as you suggested, though I haven't seen the latter [Can you link me to it?])

[Catharsis]

Re: What does HYE mean?

There is no evidence that the hayasa were the same thing as Hayk/Hay.

There are only shreds of of details about the Hayasa social organization, for example, this correspondence between the Great King Suppiluliuamas and Hakkini (a king or prince of the Hayasa) :

Actually the supposed derivation of Hayk for Hay and Hayastan is incorrect. We have much more evidence for Hay(asa) than for Hayk, which if anything would be from Hay and not the other way around.

We also have some evidence of battles between the Hittites and the Hayasa. But regarding their culture and their LANGUAGE we know nothing.

I would not use wikipedia as an reference to be honest, since virtually anyone can edit there and does (without academic credentials). In the Indo-Europeans and Indo-European language Tamaz Gamkrelidze and Vyacheslav Ivanov give detailed breakdown of the names of Hayasan kings, queens, princes, princesses, cities and provinces pointing out that they are Indo-European in origin and have direct connections with later Armenian cities.

Thus, equating Hayk with the Hayasa is just speculative. The Hayasa apparently were not based neatly in the core of the Armenian highlands, especially not where Urartu sprang up around lake Van (with important centers also in Erebuni (Yerevan) and Artsakh.)

When did I equate Hayk with Hayasa? In fact I am stating that it is the other way around. Another mistake is to actually use Urartu which is simply the Assyrian name for the Vanic Kingdom.

Hayasa was probably around the northeastern shore of the Black Sea in Anatolia: http://armenian-history.com/Nyuter/H...d%20others.jpg

No one knows, because we have not found the state archives of Hayasa and the borders that you note only show the incursion of the Hittites who went as far as approximately to the western shores of lake Van.

If you want to suggest that the name Hay comes from them, you must show more evidence supporting it as plausible.

Read the above work, it truly is an eye opener and is regarder a primer in Indo-European studies. There is also a very good work by Grigor Ghapantsyan entitled Hayasa: Cradle of Armenians.

I'm not advocating that Armenian history begins in the 6th century with the Orontids, but I am also fed up of Armenians trying to piggy-back into remote history with utmost certainty by claiming direct descent from such little known civilizations as the Hayasa, and even the Hurrians (though it is plausible to me that we assimilated a great deal of the later's culture and we have some important loan words from a very old strata of our language's history)

This is a fallacy. Armenians are not the (only) ones who have pointed out that Armenians are indigenous and have many thousands year history beyond Orontids. Are you familiar with the works of Colin Renfrew, Quentin Atkinson, Russell Gray (or as I noted above) Vyacheslav Ivanov, Tamaz Gamrkelidze, Aaron Dolgopolski, Joseph Greenberg, Merrit Ruhlen or Luigi-Lucca Cavalli Sforza? These are some of the most outstanding scholars in the fields from various disciplines. I can provide the links to their works on Amazon. There are snippets of their (copyrighted) works online also.

The best thing we could possibly do in dealing with the Hayasa academically is to find attestation of their language, which we have not. The fact that we haven't alone renders the popular tactic of relating their name to "Hay" in Armenian worthless, as we cannot appreciate their phonology, we don't even know what language family they come from, and we don't even know their self-designated name (their name Hayasa is only attested in Hittite and perhaps Elba as you suggested, though I haven't seen the latter [Can you link me to it?])

I don't want to repeat what I said (see above) about Hayasan personal and toponym names which include Indo-European (Armenian) root words.

[Haykakan]

Re: What does HYE mean?

I agree wiki is no referance any serious researcher would use. And the north eastern part of the black sea coast is not in anatolia!

[SweetStuff]

Re: What does HYE mean?

Get Outta Here!

[MrHyeSev]

Re: What does HYE mean?

Hi friends, I registered in this forum many days before. But I realized that I didn't know what the name of this forum mean.

Can you explain what HYE is? Is it in Armenian?

By the way, I am not Armenian and I can't speak your language.

Peace..

It's another way of saying you are Armenian or I am Armenian.

You can say I am Hye