Atheism and being Armenian

[Siggie]

Re: Atheism and being Armenian

I wouldn't call knowing how many RBI's Babe Ruth had in his career or what hair products Kim Kardashian uses as "knowledge". They don't even know how to balance a checkbook!!

Neither would I.

They have at least a basic understanding of nutrition (even if they don't practice it), causes of various illnesses and how to prevent many (STDs? Schizophrenia? Epilepsy? Heart disease? Tooth decay? Polio? Measles? Small pox? food borne illness), hygiene (hand washing, tooth brushing, deodorizing, etc.), they know the functions of at least basic organs (brain & spine, lungs, heart, stomach, intestines, kidneys, the skin), they know about reproduction, they know how to disinfect a wound, to prevent bleeding out by tying tourniquets, etc. And a significant proportion of people know how to administer cpr and administer the Heimlich. Did the general public know these sorts of things in Ancient Greece and Rome?

[Sip]

Re: Atheism and being Armenian

On the contrary, places like Rome and Pompeii were more than likely spotless.

You are wrong.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanitation_in_ancient_Rome -- read the "rubbish" section.

[KanadaHye]

Re: Atheism and being Armenian

You are wrong.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanitation_in_ancient_Rome -- read the "rubbish" section.

Obviously there were no garbage trucks circling cities to collect trash so it was left up to individual citizens to dispose of their rubbish. The poor districts of cities were more than likely neglected. Much like America, only the top 5% were wealthy. However, there is evidence that points to massive waste dumps that the Romans created http://news.nationalgeographic.com/n...crement-italy/

[Siggie]

Re: Atheism and being Armenian

You are wrong.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanitation_in_ancient_Rome -- read the "rubbish" section.

That tends to be the problem with "it was like more than likely like ..." sorts of statements. A lot of speculation and zero research.

Obviously there were no garbage trucks circling cities to collect trash so it was left up to individual citizens to dispose of their rubbish. The poor districts of cities were more than likely neglected. Much like America, only the top 5% were wealthy. However, there is evidence that points to massive waste dumps that the Romans created http://news.nationalgeographic.com/n...crement-italy/

I'm missing the part of that article that says the cities were spotless, that all or even most of the waste was hauled out before it could have posed any health concerns, or even that the cesspit itself was sanitary, lined so as not to seep into ground water, etc. (doesn't say how it's emptied because these things tend to fill up... they weren't just digging one hole of sh!t after another in the middle of their cities were they?).

Can you perhaps quote the part that supports your argument?

It sounds like you're backtracking a little and revising to say, the wealthy disposed of their trash, but that the common folk were living in unsanitary conditions still.

[KanadaHye]

Re: Atheism and being Armenian

That tends to be the problem with "it was like more than likely like ..." sorts of statements. A lot of speculation and zero research.

More than likely means I haven't had time to research but I'm pretty sure Sip's "research" from wikipedia is rubbish.

That tends to be the problem with "it was like more than likely like ..." sorts of statements. A lot of speculation and zero research.



I'm missing the part of that article that says the cities were spotless, that all or even most of the waste was hauled out before it could have posed any health concerns, or even that the cesspit itself was sanitary, lined so as not to seep into ground water, etc. (doesn't say how it's emptied because these things tend to fill up... they weren't just digging one hole of sh!t after another in the middle of their cities were they?).

Can you perhaps quote the part that supports your argument?

It sounds like you're backtracking a little and revising to say, the wealthy disposed of their trash, but that the common folk were living in unsanitary conditions still.

http://www.theplumber.com/plague.html

"Ancient water supply and sewerage systems - along with various kinds of luxury plumbing for the nobility - also have been discovered in early centers of civilization such as Cartage, Athens and Jerusalem as well. But it was the Roman Empire of biblical times that reigns supreme, by historical standards, in cleanliness, sanitation and water supply. "

"Imperfect though their plumbing knowledge may have been, the Roman Empire still did an admirable job assuring public cleanliness and, inadvertently, health. Rome employed administrators known as aediles to oversee various public works, including coliseum games and the police. They also were in charge of seeing that streets got swept of garbage and streams cleared of visible pollution and debris."


Decline & Fall:
Whatever the causes, over time there was a noticeable deterioration in the moral values, dignity and physical character of Roman society. Symbolic of this general decline, by the time of Augustus Caesar in 14 A.D., the once authoritative aediles collected the waste only at state-sponsored events.

[Siggie]

Re: Atheism and being Armenian

More than likely means I haven't had time to research but I'm pretty sure Sip's "research" from wikipedia is rubbish.



http://www.theplumber.com/plague.html

"Ancient water supply and sewerage systems - along with various kinds of luxury plumbing for the nobility - also have been discovered in early centers of civilization such as Cartage, Athens and Jerusalem as well. But it was the Roman Empire of biblical times that reigns supreme, by historical standards, in cleanliness, sanitation and water supply. "

"Imperfect though their plumbing knowledge may have been, the Roman Empire still did an admirable job assuring public cleanliness and, inadvertently, health. Rome employed administrators known as aediles to oversee various public works, including coliseum games and the police. They also were in charge of seeing that streets got swept of garbage and streams cleared of visible pollution and debris."


Decline & Fall:
Whatever the causes, over time there was a noticeable deterioration in the moral values, dignity and physical character of Roman society. Symbolic of this general decline, by the time of Augustus Caesar in 14 A.D., the once authoritative aediles collected the waste only at state-sponsored events.

Keywords being "by historical standards."

[KanadaHye]

Re: Atheism and being Armenian

Keywords being "by historical standards."

Exactly. Since you don't know sh!t about history STFU.




P.S. That's my last post on these forums.

[Siggie]

Re: Atheism and being Armenian

Exactly. Since you don't know sh!t about history STFU.




P.S. That's my last post on these forums.

You sad sad man...

You never said they were pretty advanced for that time period. You said, unambiguously and did not clarify after much debate (spanning weeks!), that the Ancients knew more about health than we do today. That's what you said.

Now if you want to be a bitter jerk because you are wrong and are repeatedly called out on it, go right ahead. Give up, insult me instead, and then say it's your last post. That's a coward's retreat if I've ever seen one. Bubye!

[Sip]

Re: Atheism and being Armenian

Obviously there were no garbage trucks circling cities to collect trash so it was left up to individual citizens to dispose of their rubbish. The poor districts of cities were more than likely neglected. ...

I don't know what you two (sig and kanda) are fighting about. Seems to me like Kanada agreed that I was right, and he was completely wrong in saying "Rome was most likely spotless" since obviously Rome can't most likely be spotless and poor districts be more than likely neglected.

They built the fricking city on top of piles and piles of shit and garbage ... you don't need Wikipedia .. just go there once in your life (by the way, I LOVE modern day Rome). But even today it is far from "spotless" like you would see in other more western parts of Europe, Japan, or many parts of US. For one thing, you probably don't want to pet the feral cats there

[Siggie]

Re: Atheism and being Armenian

I don't know what you two (sig and kanda) are fighting about. Seems to me like Kanada agreed that I was right, and he was completely wrong in saying "Rome was most likely spotless" since obviously Rome can't most likely be spotless and poor districts be more than likely neglected.

They built the fricking city on top of piles and piles of shit and garbage ... you don't need Wikipedia .. just go there once in your life (by the way, I LOVE modern day Rome). But even today it is far from "spotless" like you would see in other more western parts of Europe, Japan, or many parts of US. For one thing, you probably don't want to pet the feral cats there

I thought he had agreed with you even prior to this reincarnation of the argument. However, he went back to arguing the same thing...
Don't know why he flipped out and left after that. I guess not everyone enjoys interacting with me?