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Re: Have our spiritual leaders lost their moral compass?
A priest is just a sinner charged with the task of reciting biblical texts and calling out their congregation for the greatest sin of them all, not supporting the church!Comment
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Re: Have our spiritual leaders lost their moral compass?
That's pretty cynical.Originally posted by jgk3 View PostComment
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Re: Have our spiritual leaders lost their moral compass?
Maybe a lot of people feel this cynical sentiment... maybe in this precious institution, there is a grain of truth regarding this criticism, just as a pearl is formed around a grain of sand. And maybe that grain of sand needs to be admitted in order to better understand the nature of the pearl.Originally posted by yerazhishda View PostComment
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Istanbul Armenian is buried in accordance with Islamic rites
June 30, 2012 | 14:45
ISTANBUL. – Another news item published in Istanbul’s Agos Armenian bilingual weekly is widely covered by the Turkish press.
According to the news article, in order to organize the funeral service of Istanbul Armenian Harutyun Kambarizoglu who died at the age of 87, the Surp Garabet Armenian Church of Istanbul had asked for 8,000 Turkish liras (approx. US$ 4,420) from his daughter Anna Tasciyan, but since she could not pay that amount, she buried her father in accordance with Islamic rites and in a Turkish cemetery.
In an interview with Haberturk, Anna Tasciyan noted that she very much wished to bury her father with Christian customs, but their financial capabilities were insufficient for this, Beyazgazete website reports.
It is noted that Tasciyan had asked the Church to allow her to pay the 8,000 liras in installments, but she was denied this request.
“[So,] I had to accept that my father be buried in accordance with Islamic rites and in a Turkish cemetery,” said Anna Tasciyan.
Armenian Church representative Osin Mumcuyan, on the other hand, noted that they had informed the relative of the deceased about the price list of the Armenian Patriarchate of Constantinople and there was nothing else to do.
But the Patriarchate’s Spiritual Council Chairman, Reverend Father Tatul Anushyan claimed they were uninformed of all this and had they known, they would not have allowed it.Politics is not about the pursuit of morality nor what's right or wrong
Its about self interest at personal and national level often at odds with the above.
Great politicians pursue the National interest and small politicians personal interestsComment
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Re: Have our spiritual leaders lost their moral compass?
This Mumcuyan fella should be flogged to an inch of his life and then marched out of the church totally. He probably sits with his glasses on the end of his nose, going over his financial spreadsheets without a care in the world, this or the next.Originally posted by londontsi View PostComment
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Bishop Mkrtchyan's Business Interests: Does He Own 3 Hydro-Electric Plants in Vayots Dzor?
Kristine Aghalaryan
12:50, July 5, 2012
The first thing that catches your eye as you enter the village of Hermon in Vayots Dzor Marz is a site that looks like a water pool.
It’s actually a small hydro-electric station where the local kids go fishing. The guy we saw fishing when we visited was Taron, who is the station’s security guard.
When we asked Taron who the hydro-electric plant belongs to he answered – His Holiness. He was referring to Bishop Abraham Mkrtchyan, Primate of the Vayots Dzor Diocese of the Armenian Apostolic Church.
Catholicos Garegin II established the diocese in 2010 and transferred Bishop Mkrtchyan from his post as Primate of the Syunik Diocese.
Hermon Mayor Gai Ohanyan told us that there are actually three small hydro stations in the village and that they all belong to Bishop Mkrtchyan.
Hermon is a small village of 250 residents some 16 kilometers from Yeghegnadzor. Back in the mid-1990s, four two-story stone houses were built here by the American-Armenian benefactors Mike and Sona Ohanian. Seven families of parentless children and those of Artsakh war veterans were relocated to the houses. Each house cost $12,000 to build.
Hermon was chosen as the construction site because it was a small village in need of new residents.
The program has been a failure. Only one of the original seven families, that of Armineh, remains today. She doesn’t even live in the house allotted to her.
The houses have been transformed into vacation bungalows. Residents say the bungalows belong to Bishop Mkrtchyan as well.
Taron took us to the resort bungalows where construction was in full swing. They’re building sports facilities for prospective vacationers. They were also building two hydro plants nearby.
The three Hermon hydro-electric plants owned by Bishop Mkrtchyan are: Yeghegis and Hermon, operated by Elegis Ltd, and the third is registered to Sunrise Electric CJSC.
On the online state registry site, Elegis Ltd. was registered to the name of the Syunik Social Benevolent Organization, who director is Mayis Mkrtchyan. Mayis is the brother of Bishop Mkrtchyan.
It was Mayis who signed an agreement with the seven orphanage families to relocate to Hermon.
The state registry has since pulled all information regarding Elegis Ltd. The same holds true for Sunrise Electric even though it was registered back in 2007.
Director Mayis Mkrtchyan wasn’t around when we visited the village.
Aleksan Aleksanyan, who has been working for three years as the shift coordinator for three years, told me, “They say it belongs to the bishop, but he could have drawn up the documents under another name. I don’t know.”
Aleksanyan said that two of the hydro-stations employ sixteen from Hermon and the adjacent villages. Aleksanyan and his colleagues come from Yeghegnadzor to work.
Gai Ohanyan has been mayor for six years. He says that the plants do not interfere with irrigation. In fact, they are supposed to be of benefit to the community.
“I couldn’t say what the benefit is exactly, but they do provide jobs. Most of the village youth work there,” said Mayor Ohanyan.
The power plants only provide a tiny fraction of the village’s budget. Prior to 2005, when the government supported the construction of hydro-plants, 170,000 AMD annually flowed into the community coffers. Today, that figure from property taxes has dropped to 3,750.
Our telephone conversation with Bishop Mkrtchyan was brief.
- No, they don’t belong to us but I assisted in the establishment
- Who do they belong to? Why did you assist?
- I try to help out everything you see in that area. It was an Armenian from Moscow. He moved there a long time ago.
- So who is this person? Is it a secret?
- No, I don’t want to give out any information on this thing and have it appear in the newspaper that the Bishop said this or that. Do some digging and find the guy on your own.
- Do you have any connection with the Syunik Social Benevolent Organization?
- That organisation closed down.
- When?
- Today.
- Why did it close?
- Write whatever you want
With this Bishop Mkrtchyan hung up.Politics is not about the pursuit of morality nor what's right or wrong
Its about self interest at personal and national level often at odds with the above.
Great politicians pursue the National interest and small politicians personal interestsComment
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That gentleman is weak governmental management and lack of proper protest from the side of residents.Comment
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I like you answers Yerazishda; everything is explained comprehensively.Originally posted by yerazhishda View Post
Blaming God/Commandments in immoral people's proliferation is a "good" trick; that the sinners use. I guess, God wouldn't answer their posts, while they are not summoned yet.
He will talk to the sinners/immoral afterwords; I imagine, what a great ...munication it would be.Last edited by gegev; 07-05-2012, 10:40 PM.Comment
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Re: Have our spiritual leaders lost their moral compass?
I say, let's also do to CEO Karekin II what I suggested doing to Don Dodi Gago on another thread. To serve as an example to those below him, since there are probably not enough nooses for the necks of all the corrupt priests.
"ARMENIAN APOSTOLIC CHURCH NOT PRIVATE VENTURE" - PRIEST
tert.am
21.11.12
The Armenian Apostolic Church (AAC) is not a limited liability company,
neither does it own any, says priest Vahram Melikyan, a spokesperson
for the Holy See of St Echmiadzin.
His comments came in response to the media reports that a parking
coupon provided to the AAC Vazgenyan College gives full information
on the owner of the territory and the people it serves,
"The Holy See St Echmiadzin, with its subordinate organizations, has
adjacent parking lots in different places, which give drivers coupons
for the parked cars. There's nothing unlawful or what's even more,
indecent, about that," he said.
A follower of the Armenian Apostolic Church, Artak Minasyan, was
earlier said to have expressed anger at seeing a parking coupon marked
Armenian Apostolic Church. He reportedly said that the AAC is little by
little turning into an ordinary LLC, having totally forgotten its role.
Commenting on the report, Melikyan said he can understand the
implication behind the statement (that maintaining a parking lot
requires means which are never donated by people like Artak Minasyan).
"As to why the Holy See's name is marked on the coupon, that's for
making people aware that unlike numerous other similar payments, their
money will serve for the welfare and mission of this structure. If
there are people who are unwilling to have their investment in the
Armenian Church and its projects, I don't see any need to make comments
then," he added.Plenipotentiary meow!Comment
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