How Much of the Bible Must Be Historical to Believe?

[Siggie]

Re: How Much of the Bible Must Be Historical to Believe?

No really? I REALLY thought you meant pharmaceutical prescription.... I think you misunderstood my use of the word "PRICE"

i.e. that which must be given, done, or undergone in order to obtain a thing: He gained the victory, but at a heavy price.

O rly? That makes no sense. What you meant was that the order that we should stone homosexuals has a different price today than say 1500 years ago?

[KanadaHye]

Re: How Much of the Bible Must Be Historical to Believe?

O rly? That makes no sense. What you meant was that the order that we should stone homosexuals has a different price today than say 1500 years ago?

I'd REALLY like for you to point out where Jesus teaches this course of action as punishment.

What I meant was, America paid the price for slavery through the bloodshed during the civil war. You act as though slavery doesn't exist in the world today. We will continue to pay the price as long as injustices exist.

[Siggie]

Re: How Much of the Bible Must Be Historical to Believe?

I'd REALLY like for you to point out where Jesus teaches this course of action as punishment.

What I meant was, America paid the price for slavery through the bloodshed during the civil war. You act as though slavery doesn't exist in the world today. We will continue to pay the price as long as injustices exist.

Who said there's no cost to human injustice like slavery? That's obvious. My point was that it bothers me that the bible contains these things as well. Again, I was addressing Pepsi's question.

Read Leviticus. The whole thing is a list of all the offenses punishable by death...

20:8 And ye shall keep my statutes, and do them: I am the LORD which sanctify you.
20:9 For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall be surely put to death: he hath cursed his father or his mother; his blood shall be upon him.
20:10 And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death.
20:11 And the man that lieth with his father's wife hath uncovered his father's nakedness: both of them shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
20:12 And if a man lie with his daughter in law, both of them shall surely be put to death: they have wrought confusion; their blood shall be upon them.
20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
20:14 And if a man take a wife and her mother, it is wickedness: they shall be burnt with fire, both he and they; that there be no wickedness among you.
20:15 And if a man lie with a beast, he shall surely be put to death: and ye shall slay the beast.
20:16 And if a woman approach unto any beast, and lie down thereto, thou shalt kill the woman, and the beast: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
20:17 And if a man shall take his sister, his father's daughter, or his mother's daughter, and see her nakedness, and she see his nakedness; it is a wicked thing; and they shall be cut off in the sight of their people: he hath uncovered his sister's nakedness; he shall bear his iniquity.

Or Samuel where Saul discovers his son is homosexual and so tries to kill both him and his lover. Or Asa driving out (or exterminating) the Sodomites.

Or Romans...

1:27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
1:28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
1:29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
1:30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
1:31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
1:32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

[KanadaHye]

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Who said there's no cost to human injustice like slavery? That's obvious. My point was that it bothers me that the bible contains these things as well. Again, I was addressing Pepsi's question.

Read Leviticus. The whole thing is a list of all the offenses punishable by death...



Or Samuel where Saul discovers his son is homosexual and so tries to kill both him and his lover. Or Asa driving out (or exterminating) the Sodomites.

Or Romans...

Leviticus is from the Old Testament (J3wish law)

As for the quote from Romans, Paul is referring to how the people of Rome have become the scum of the Earth with extremely poor morals and that those people are worthy of death (in other words, there would be no tears shed if they died)

[Haykakan]

Re: How Much of the Bible Must Be Historical to Believe?

Religious people seem to have selective memory when it comes to recalling the bible. They remember love and peace yet forget kill kill kill... Everything good is caused by god everything bad by devil and men... this gets really boring and redundent after a while. If a fool wishes to remain a fool then that is his/her business but unfortunetely his/her decision on this matter effects the rest of us to.

[KanadaHye]

Re: How Much of the Bible Must Be Historical to Believe?

Religious people seem to have selective memory when it comes to recalling the bible. They remember love and peace yet forget kill kill kill... Everything good is caused by god everything bad by devil and men... this gets really boring and redundent after a while. If a fool wishes to remain a fool then that is his/her business but unfortunetely his/her decision on this matter effects the rest of us to.

Dude, you live in the modern Rome, a country that kills for gold, oil, diamonds and anything for profit and you're talking about selective memory.

[Siggie]

Re: How Much of the Bible Must Be Historical to Believe?

Leviticus is from the Old Testament (J3wish law)

As for the quote from Romans, Paul is referring to how the people of Rome have become the scum of the Earth with extremely poor morals and that those people are worthy of death (in other words, there would be no tears shed if they died)

So everything it says in the Old Testament (OT) doesn't count? I don't recall where in the New Testament (NT) it says that Jesus disagreed with what the Old Testament god said and did.

I'll wait for you to give me that passage where it says that... I humored you and gave you quotes when you asked me to substantiate what I was saying. Let's see yours then; where's the evidence that the NT message disagrees with that of the OT.
I'll even settle for where it revisits the issue of homosexuals, nonbelievers, or other "sinners" and concludes something that doesn't agree with what's expressed previously in the Old Testament.

[KanadaHye]

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So everything it says in the Old Testament (OT) doesn't count? I don't recall where in the New Testament (NT) it says that Jesus disagreed with what the Old Testament god said and did.

I'll wait for you to give me that passage where it says that... I humored you and gave you quotes when you asked me to substantiate what I was saying. Let's see yours then; where's the evidence that the NT message disagrees with that of the OT.
I'll even settle for where it revisits the issue of homosexuals, nonbelievers, or other "sinners" and concludes something that doesn't agree with what's expressed previously in the Old Testament.

This is where the history part comes in. Jesus was an anarchist of sorts teaching revolutionary ideas which were aimed directly towards breaking down the power structure of the Roman Empire. Anything in the Old Testament (3rd book in the J3wish Torah) is the old law, many of which Jesus opposed. After all, he was put to death for educating people in everything from personal behavior, to law and even politics.

Every wonder why your pathetic country can't seem to let you forget about 9-11?

Romans 9-11
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...;&version=ESV;

[Haykakan]

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Yeh but im trying to educate people and see the facts instead of propogating bs in a new bs book.

Dude, you live in the modern Rome, a country that kills for gold, oil, diamonds and anything for profit and you're talking about selective memory.

[Siggie]

Re: How Much of the Bible Must Be Historical to Believe?

This is where the history part comes in. Jesus was an anarchist of sorts teaching revolutionary ideas which were aimed directly towards breaking down the power structure of the Roman Empire. Anything in the Old Testament (3rd book in the J3wish Torah) is the old law, many of which Jesus opposed. After all, he was put to death for educating people in everything from personal behavior, to law and even politics.

Every wonder why your pathetic country can't seem to let you forget about 9-11?

Romans 9-11
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...;&version=ESV;

Blah blah blah... Stop diverting. You make a claim, I ask for evidence, you ignore it and make another claim. No. Show me where Jesus expressed disagreement with something in the OT.