How Much of the Bible Must Be Historical to Believe?

[KanadaHye]

Re: How Much of the Bible Must Be Historical to Believe?

Oh yes... Just like we don't take it on blind faith that the gas I pump in my car was sourced from the earth. I mean, I didn't see it sucked from the ground with my own eyes, so who knows WHERE it comes from?

That's a valid point. It would be good to know WHERE your gas comes from. Everything from clothes to food is labeled, why isn't gasoline labeled? That's for another discussion.

Are you implying that just because we haven't personally found fossils ourselves it somehow renders both religion and science as "blind faith" making them equally relevant?

When you were a kid, you probably read about dinosaurs in children's books and saw them portrayed in movies and television. At that point, dinosaurs are about as real as the tooth fairy. However, one way or another, it's been ingrained in your head. Why is it that with ALL the mining in the world, nobody has ever unearthed one of these skeletons. Instead, these giant skeletons are found in inhabited and remote parts of the world which are "discovered" by paleontologists and scientists. Perhaps they know the secrets of where dinosaurs died. Civilizations have been digging up the earth for centuries and it wasn't until the 1800's when these bones were discovered. Not claiming it's a conspiracy but there is a huge business around a pile of bones that could be as real as fire breathing dragons or the lochness monster.

[ArmSurvival]

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When you unearth dinosaur bones with your own two hands and assemble it to resemble a giant lizard, then you have the right to claim you have evidence. Until then, you are putting trust in blind faith.

Don't give me the "well if enough scientists and archeologists say so" reasoning either.

Are you implying that just because we haven't personally found fossils ourselves it somehow renders both religion and science as "blind faith" making them equally relevant?

[One-Way]

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I once knew a guy that claimed dinosaurs never existed. I asked him how he could possibly think that and he claimed that someone placed those bones around the world and wants us to believe that dinosaurs existed.

This was particularly weird because he wasn't a conspiracy theorist and didn't really make such absurd claims... he was just very adamant about the fact that dinosaurs never existed.

[Siggie]

Re: How Much of the Bible Must Be Historical to Believe?

When you unearth dinosaur bones with your own two hands and assemble it to resemble a giant lizard, then you have the right to claim you have evidence. Until then, you are putting trust in blind faith.

Don't give me the "well if enough scientists and archeologists say so" reasoning either.

Oh yes... Just like we don't take it on blind faith that the gas I pump in my car was sourced from the earth. I mean, I didn't see it sucked from the ground with my own eyes, so who knows WHERE it comes from?

Yes we all know that reasoning is beyond your potential.

Now, now... I just repeated his reasoning with a different example; now, don't you feel silly for doubting the soundness of that reasoning?

[Haykakan]

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Yes we all know that reasoning is beyond your potential.

When you unearth dinosaur bones with your own two hands and assemble it to resemble a giant lizard, then you have the right to claim you have evidence. Until then, you are putting trust in blind faith.

Don't give me the "well if enough scientists and archeologists say so" reasoning either.

[KanadaHye]

Re: How Much of the Bible Must Be Historical to Believe?

I wonder how we know that dinosaurs existed at one time and have since become extinct when they weren't able to utilize modern communication to tweet that fact. Damn this uncrackable mystery!

When you unearth dinosaur bones with your own two hands and assemble it to resemble a giant lizard, then you have the right to claim you have evidence. Until then, you are putting trust in blind faith.

Don't give me the "well if enough scientists and archeologists say so" reasoning either.

[Siggie]

Re: How Much of the Bible Must Be Historical to Believe?

Huh? How was a person supposed to know whether or not the entire world flooded if they didn't have modern communication? Imagine if the levels of water in America rose 20 metres and the majority of people weren't prepared and got swept away and there was no TV or radio to report that the other continents were perfectly dry. I'd bet you the first words out of the survivors would be "the whole world flooded". I mean, for a country to call the final series of baseball "the world series" when the rest of the world isn't even competing in it, I'm sure it would be the "end of the world".

I wonder how we know that dinosaurs existed at one time and have since become extinct when they weren't able to utilize modern communication to tweet that fact. Damn this uncrackable mystery!

[KanadaHye]

Re: How Much of the Bible Must Be Historical to Believe?

So funny that you think only an eyewitness's account or video recording is evidence. No... There would be geological evidence; just as there is of other events. There just isn't any.

Huh? How was a person supposed to know whether or not the entire world flooded if they didn't have modern communication? Imagine if the levels of water in America rose 20 metres and the majority of people weren't prepared and got swept away and there was no TV or radio to report that the other continents were perfectly dry. I'd bet you the first words out of the survivors would be "the whole world flooded". I mean, for a country to call the final series of baseball "the world series" when the rest of the world isn't even competing in it, I'm sure it would be the "end of the world".

[Siggie]

Re: How Much of the Bible Must Be Historical to Believe?

It consists of many books put together. Some which are real life accounts and others which aren't. The discrepancies between 2 or 3 people whose account of the same event may differ due to embellishment and/or recollection of the event.

I really don't know where the whole 'word of god' comes from. From what I understand, when god made a covenant with the people, he kept his word.

So your tolerance of error is much greater for the divinely inspired work than for the scientific literature (which by nature is at least self-correcting).
Interesting contrast with the likewise naive opinions you expressed here: http://forum.hyeclub.com/showthread....ion-Jobs/page2

[KanadaHye]

Re: How Much of the Bible Must Be Historical to Believe?

if they cannot get the small things right why should we believe their bigger claims? The book is either inspired by god or it isn't. If it is the first then such mistakes shouldn't be made. Or is it god that was wrong?

It consists of many books put together. Some which are real life accounts and others which aren't. The discrepancies between 2 or 3 people whose account of the same event may differ due to embellishment and/or recollection of the event.

I really don't know where the whole 'word of god' comes from. From what I understand, when god made a covenant with the people, he kept his word.