How Much of the Bible Must Be Historical to Believe?

[One-Way]

Re: How Much of the Bible Must Be Historical to Believe?

What Bible did you read?
where in the Bible doe sit say Jesus was a zombie,You believe you should kill me because I don't believe in your god,You believe owning slaves is okay
please tel me those verses so I can read em

Is it safe to say you agree with the rest, though?

[MrHyeSev]

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What Bible did you read?
where in the Bible doe sit say Jesus was a zombie,You believe you should kill me because I don't believe in your god,You believe owning slaves is okay
please tel me those verses so I can read em

[Siggie]

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I don't know if you've read the Bible Siggie , but what evidence in your opinion does it lack?
Just curious

I have read it and I don't believe it to be a historically accurate book or the word of any deity, nor do I find it to be a particularly ethical book either. What it lacks is veracity.

You believe two pairs of all the species fit on an ark?

You believe that the whole Earth was covered by water in a massive flood?

You believe the whole of the universe including our solar system, our Earth, and all the living things on it were created in 6 days?

You believe the Earth to be less than 6000 years old?

You believe that a creator individually created each species alive?

You believe woman was made from the rib of a man?

You believe women are inferior to men?

You believe the cure for leprosy is bird's blood and chanting?

You believe owning slaves is okay?

You believe a woman should have to marry her rapist?

You believe that Sampson actually killed 1000 people with the jawbone of an @ss?

You believe Jesus was a zombie?

You believe you should kill me because I don't believe in your god?

...

I could go on, but you get the idea.

[MrHyeSev]

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I don't know if you've read the Bible Siggie , but what evidence in your opinion does it lack?
Just curious

[Siggie]

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<3 NdGT!! I attended a talk where he said some of the same, but he's a bit more focused here.

I agree with what ArmSurvival said. It's a need for answers.

We're still working out the mysteries. Believing that a creator did it does nothing but discourage inquiries for the truth.

I also have no problem with people wanting to believe in the christian god, islamic god, a turtle, russel's teapot, the fsm, or whatever. Where we have a problem is when any of these beliefs which are based entirely on faith (ie lacking evidence) lead to impositions on the rights of others.

[ArmSurvival]

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It came from exploring the world which already existed. Humans can't create something out of nothing.

Just because you state that something cannot come from nothing does not make it necessary for that something to have been created by a god. Even if you could prove it was created by a god, it does not prove that this god cares about us, or that he is inherently good or evil. It does not prove that any of the so-called prophets actually communicated with this entity. Sorry Pepsi that means you too.

The mechanics of the universe do not depend on there to be the hypothesis of a god or a creator. The universe functions just fine without these assumptions.

In fact, the only time god is invoked is when we reach the limits of our knowledge. We used to say that the universe revolved around earth, that the sky and heavens work mysteriously, therefore created by god. Then we invented telescopes and saw that we actually revolve around a tiny sun in a tiny galaxy of the universe. This discovery was done with great trouble and great resistance from religious people who saw this as an affront to their beliefs. Cry me a river.

We used to think we were created by god in his image, until we found bones of our ancestors and realized that modern humans are the product of millions of years of evolution. This is still being resisted by many religious organizations, again because of their sensitivity and narrow-mindedness. So belief in god does not explain anything about the universe - It actually makes us comfortable with our ignorance which hinders our progress as a species.

The noted astrophysicist Neil deGrasse Tyson gives a great lecture on how god is always invoked whenever us humans reach the limits of our knowledge. Definitely worth a listen: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1te01...eature=related

[Haykakan]

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There is not as much tension because class inequality is much less in Canada then in USA. Also government provides people with more things they need to live then in USA. All of this said i do believe we are drifting off topic here. The relevant point i was making was that religion is the perpetuation of bs along generations and like the little girl i used as an example many people are caught up in it not because they came to that conclusion on their own but because it was pounded into them from an early age and they probably will never be able to approach the issue in a rational manner and this bs will continue like it has for thousends of years. I am saying that this bs needs to stop!

True but the people are aware of that and there isn't nearly as much tension between people of different backgrounds. Discrimination against race by citizens is virtually non existent. It's just the rednecks and the Conservatives in government that I'd consider as racist.

[KanadaHye]

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Not true. Just ask the people of the middle east how free they feel. There is no escape that is why i make it a point to educate from within. Canada is a good example of how there is no escape because politics in that country more and more mirrors the politics in the USA.

True but the people are aware of that and there isn't nearly as much tension between people of different backgrounds. Discrimination against race by citizens is virtually non existent. It's just the rednecks and the Conservatives in government that I'd consider as racist.

[Haykakan]

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Not true. Just ask the people of the middle east how free they feel. There is no escape that is why i make it a point to educate from within. Canada is a good example of how there is no escape because politics in that country more and more mirrors the politics in the USA.

I think for yourself and most Americans alike... getting the F*** out of that country is freedom and salvation

[KanadaHye]

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This sounds like the political situation of the day more then anything else..Nothing you said here is new nor interesting..dude you should maybe go into comedy caus your funny when your not talkin about bs. A good example of the bs that religion is was displayed the other day. I pick up my son and my neighbors kid from the bus stop daily and the 10 yearold asked me who i am voting for and i said i dont know and thats when she said that her family is voting for romney because obama supports killing babies. I thought to myself that this is a great example of how the bs that is religion goes from generation to generation regardless how big the bs contained within it. As long as there are people who take fairytales as doctines for life - we will continue to suffer the curses of ignorence, racism, fanatasizm etc.. I wonder if that girl will ever have the chance to question the bs that her parents filled her head with.
"If you don't believe in the existence of forces that do not want you to be free to choose and from those choices find salvation, then you are most likely living for the interests of those forces."

I think for yourself and most Americans alike... getting the F*** out of that country is freedom and salvation