Which Orthodox church to join

[Sip]

Re: Which Orthodox church to join

So which Armenian church is the better one ... the ones that are under Etchmiadzin or the ones under Cilicia?

[Haykakan]

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I have observed catholics and they are pretty funny. A catholic will sin like crazy then go confess and feel all better about it. Basically do whatever you want but as long as you confess and apologize then your good.

[Hyegirl]

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So which Armenian church is the better one ... the ones that are under Etchmiadzin or the ones under Cilicia?

Etchmiadzin was the original. What else would make one better than the other?

[Haykakan]

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You neeed to read up on some Armenian history. Cilicia was the last armenian kingdom and it changed its religion to basicaly catholisism so the western states would help it against the muslim invading hoards. Of coarse the west abandoned Cilicia and it was overrun by the mamlukes from egypt. This is a good example of how the west has always betrayed the armenian people and should not be trusted today either. If you believe in the mumbojumbo called religion then the true church is the Etchmiadzin because it did not deviate from original practices to appease anyone.

Etchmiadzin was the original. What else would make one better than the other?

[Hyegirl]

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You neeed to read up on some Armenian history. Cilicia was the last Armenian kingdom and it changed its religion to basicaly Catholicism so the western states would help it against the muslim invading hoards. Of coarse the west abandoned Cilicia and it was overrun by the mamlukes from Egypt. This is a good example of how the west has always betrayed the Armenian people and should not be trusted today either. If you believe in the mumbojumbo called religion then the true church is the Etchmiadzin because it did not deviate from original practices to appease anyone.

I've spoken with an Etchmiadzin priest who explained the creation of Cilicia briefly. I am currently reading a church history book, though it is slow as I am doing several things in addition to working full-time. Perhaps you could enlighten me as to some of the doctrinal differences I may run into between people from the two sees?

[Mos]

Re: Which Orthodox church to join

You neeed to read up on some Armenian history. Cilicia was the last armenian kingdom and it changed its religion to basicaly catholisism so the western states would help it against the muslim invading hoards. Of coarse the west abandoned Cilicia and it was overrun by the mamlukes from egypt. This is a good example of how the west has always betrayed the armenian people and should not be trusted today either. If you believe in the mumbojumbo called religion then the true church is the Etchmiadzin because it did not deviate from original practices to appease anyone.

Kilikia was a symbol of Armenian Statehood. As for West betraying us, well we're not European, so I don't see why West would care for us, unless to use us when convenient. Let's not forget it was because of the Germans that Turks were able to pull off the Genocide.

[Hyegirl]

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well we're not European,

Near Eastern, Caucasian, and just plain Armenian, right?

Let's not forget it was because of the Germans that Turks were able to pull off the Genocide.

Because they finished it during WWI or was there something else?

[Mos]

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Near Eastern, Caucasian, and just plain Armenian, right?

Well I prefer the label just Armenian, because we are native to the Armenian Highland which encompasses Eastern Anatolia and South Caucasus. Since Armenian Highland is located in West Asia, another accurate term is 'West Asian' though kind of broad. Genetically we cluster with other West Asian folks, Assyrians, Turks, Caucasus xxxs, etc.

Because they finished it during WWI or was there something else?

They actively helped and planned Turks in the Genocide. They even pushed propaganda against killing the Armenians. The German's were heavily involved, and if it weren't for them, maybe would have had a whole different outcome.

[Haykakan]

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Before WWI it was the British that helped and supported Sultan Hamid in massacering thousends of armenians. Armenian history is full of sorrow and can be difficult to read about because of that but you should educate yourself.

[Mos]

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Before WWI it was the British that helped and supported Sultan Hamid in massacering thousends of armenians. Armenian history is full of sorrow and can be difficult to read about because of that but you should educate yourself.

Brits have committed a lot of atrocities in their history. Not to mention, nowadays, they are big supporter of Turkey/Azerbaijan.