Armenian lesbians/gays

[Mos]

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So, you dehumanize other people for the sake of justifying your own ideology? Nice!

You must be very young, and very limited in your education and critical thinking skills. You'd fit right in with the Taliban! You can even go throw stones at women who are accused of sleeping around. Really, you come across more as a caricature than a real person.

My insults aren't thinly veiled at all. They're right there, out in the open. You don't really inspire or compel me to veil anything, as veiling would be a sign of deference and respect. I give deference and respect freely to those who merit it, not to people who feel entitled to it because of what's dangling between their legs.

I never dehumanised anybody. I have a lot of respect for women. But my respect is much greater towards the woman who are strong willed enough to keep their integrity and reputation intact. To be elegant and modest in behaviour and appearance. To be dedicated to their family and children above all. This is not dehumanisation. Dehumanisation is some of the xxxxxs that you see that will sleep with any guy, that rebel from their family, that are vulgar in both behaviour and appearance. And I won't respond to your immature insults.

[Sip]

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I wonder if the Armenian penguins are blaming the Penguin West and the TV for this or this.

I would even be more curious to see if there is a penguin equivalent of Mos who is posting in some penguin forum about respectable penguins

[MrHyeSev]

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Mos, I think you live in a fairytale lifestyle
(just saying).

[Flamenkita]

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Oh... and just to follow up, Mos, I guess the French people didn't really agree with Sarkozy's politics all that much, and so out he went! You see? It's not so much what "leaders" think should guide a nation's aspirations, but rather the people themselves.

And I agree with PepsiAddict on the fairytale lifestyle thing. The characters all seem to be in place for you: The evil witch (the feminists of the world); the big bad wolf (anyone who is "other"); the scary forest (the world beyond your narrow boundaries); the prince charming (who goes around looking for the "perfect" virginal maiden locked in a tower); and the virginal maiden herself, so pure that she's never been touched by the hand of man (the dwarves don't count)...

Anyhow, keep us posted on how well you do actually living out your fantasies.

[Siggie]

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What you (those who subscribe to a similar set of beliefs/values as Mos) fail to appreciate is that the women who are best equipped to be good partners and parents are going to tend to disagree with you and hearing that this is what you all seek, will RUN the other way.
An intelligent, capable, resourceful woman would be offended at being undervalued this way and would want no part of this.

You find it easy to dismiss all those women who disagree as "wh0res" who are motivated by nothing but their desire for sex (projecting much? ) but that's all that is... a convenient way for you to deal with the dissenters.

[Flamenkita]

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But Siggie! These folks think they aren't undervaluing women. They are idealizing women, so to speak... without realizing that idealization is just another form of objectification, and that it's just as offensive!

There are women who will be fine with a lifestyle of subservience and objectification. I know several. But they are not happy. They are either miserable but feel stuck (especially if they don't feel they have options), or are finding ways to live life fully outside of their marriages.

For unenlightened men, the demands of patriarchy will always come before anything else, including their happiness and that of the people they claim to love.

[Siggie]

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But Siggie! These folks think they aren't undervaluing women. They are idealizing women, so to speak... without realizing that idealization is just another form of objectification, and that it's just as offensive!

There are women who will be fine with a lifestyle of subservience and objectification. I know several. But they are not happy. They are either miserable but feel stuck (especially if they don't feel they have options), or are finding ways to live life fully outside of their marriages.

For unenlightened men, the demands of patriarchy will always come before anything else, including their happiness and that of the people they claim to love.

Right, there needs to feel like there's no other acceptable option. That's why this all hinges on also having strong stigma to encourage conformity and/or restrictions of freedom.

The book I recommended earlier touches on this -- filling that role and being unhappy in the process. It cannot be "hidden" completely. This lack of being happy does affect life and therefore does affect a relationship, parenting, other relationships, etc.

[levon]

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I feel what you're saying Mos (in general and to a point); however, let me try to rephrase the message you're sending. First of all, let's have a change of perspective.

It's useless to talk about how women should act. Who the hell would want to get into that anyway. Furthermore, there is an absolute need for some women to be sl*ts. The world needs them. You know how many right hands would fall off without them?
Rather than discuss how women should be, let's instead talk about what a men should look for in a decent wife. Can we do this? Absolutely. Women have a cr*p-load of magazines that do the same for women.

And I will summarize the advice with the following.

A key that opens many locks is a master key.
A lock that can be opened by many keys is a sh!tty lock.
Would you trust your future and family to a sh!tty lock? Hell no.

I'll let you guys take it to the next logical level.

[Flamenkita]

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How about this? As a woman, the lock is mine, and the key is mine. I get to choose who enters, how, when, and for what reason.

Honestly, I think my grandfather was more open-minded than some of the young men who are posting here!

[Flamenkita]

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Siggie, I think the guys posting here want women who are raised to feel incomplete and placeless without being married. As Fran Drescher once put it so well:

"I don't want to be happy. I want to be married!"

The paradox is, however, if you're not happy alone, then nothing in the world can make you happy with a husband! Add to that the demand and stress of children! Ufffff! What an effing nightmare!

But Mos and his kind want women who are completely sheltered and kept child-like before marriage, and who marry young so that they have no point of comparison. So, you marry a man who has a small penis, or an inadequate ability to delay ejaculation, or one who has no idea that women are supposed to be sexually satisfied, much less how to make that happen... the last thing you want is the challenge of a woman who knows what an orgasm is and expects it in her intimate relationship.

Like that joke someone told me: A woman who has been married 25 years comes downstairs one morning and slaps her husband across the face. "What was that for?", he asks. "For 25 years of bad sex!", she answers. Upon which, he slaps her. Surprised, she asks, "What was THAT for?". He says, "For knowing the difference!"