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  • Twelve Arguments Evolutionists Should Avoid

    NOTE: I found it fit for this topic to be in the "Religion" section, instead of "Science", due to Evolution has is not science. There is not a single verifiable scientific evidence of the claims this Evolution religion makes.

    Twelve Arguments Evolutionists Should Avoid

    Argument 1
    Evolution is a fact

    When our core beliefs are attacked, it’s often easy for humans to retreat to statements such as this: “My belief is a fact, and yours is wrong.” That’s exactly why we cannot trust mere human understanding to explain the unobservable past—emotion and pride get in the way. Evolution is not a fact, no matter how many times evolutionists say it is. It’s a framework built on assumptions about the past—assumptions that will never have direct, first-hand, observational proof.

    Argument 2
    Only the uneducated reject evolution

    Besides the arrogance of such statements, this argument has no footing and should be cast off. Mainly, those who make this claim usually define “educated people” as those who accept evolution. Anyone who disagrees fails the test, no matter what their background (e.g., if we follow this ideology, Isaac Newton must have been uneducated). There are many lists of well-educated scholars who look to the Bible for answers (here’s one)—and we could point out Darwin’s own deficit of formal education (he earned a bachelor’s in theology). But the bigger issue is that education—or lack—does not guarantee the validity of a person’s position.

    Argument 3
    Overwhelming evidence in all fields of science supports evolution


    The irony, of course, is that for centuries prior to Darwin’s publication of On the Origin of Species, the majority of scientists found the opposite to be true: the “evidence” supported creation. What changed? Not the evidence. Rather, the starting point changed (i.e., moving from the Bible, God’s Word, to humanism, man’s word). Creationists continue to see everything in light of God’s Word and all evidence as supporting the biblical account. In reality, there is no “neutral” starting point; everyone—whether they acknowledge it or not—interprets the “facts” according to a particular way of thinking (i.e., worldview).

    Argument 4
    Doubting evolution is like doubting gravity

    Why does this argument fail? We’ll show you. Take a pencil or pen. Hold it in the air. Then drop it to the floor. That’s gravity. Next, make a single-celled organism—like an amoeba—turn into a goat. Go ahead. We’ll wait. . . . No? As you can see, there’s a fundamental difference between operational science, which can be tested through repeatable experimentation, and historical science, which cannot.

    Argument 5
    Doubting evolution is like believing the earth is flat


    Ironically, the Bible describes the earth as round and hanging in space—long before this could have been directly observed (Job 26:10; Isaiah 40:22). The appeal of this claim is that it stereotypes creationists as stuck in the past, since the common assumption is that people once universally believed the earth was flat before science “proved” otherwise (which wasn’t the case—only a few bought into the idea that the earth was flat). But even if this were true (it’s not), direct, repeatable observation shows us the earth is round and orbiting the sun. Evolutionary stories about fossils are not direct observations; they’re assumption-based beliefs.

    Argument 6
    It’s here, so it must have evolved

    A conclusion does not prove the premises are true. That is, if the answer is “four,” we could arrive at that any number of ways: 2 + 2, 5 - 1, etc. In the same way, evolutionists often assume that since certain species or traits exist, this is proof of evolution because that’s how it must have happened. This argument, however, is self-reflexive and useless. The Bible offers another (and more sound) framework for how those traits and species came to be.

    Argument 7
    Natural selection is evolution

    This is likely the most abused argument on the list—and most in need of being scrapped. Often evolutionists bait people into showing them a change that is merely natural selection and then switch to say this proves molecules-to-man evolution. However, this is quite misleading. Natural selection, even according to evolutionists, does not have the power to generate anything “new.” The observable process can only act upon existing characteristics so that some members of a species are more likely to survive. In fact, it’s an important component of the biblical worldview.

    Argument 8
    Common design means common ancestry

    Historical common descent is not and cannot be confirmed through observation. Rather, certain observations are explained by assumptions about the past. These observations, we might add, have alternative explanations. Common body plans (homology), for example, do not prove common descent—that’s an assumption. A common Designer fits the evidence just as well, if not better.

    Argument 9
    Sedimentary layers show millions of years of geological activity

    Sedimentary layers show one thing: sedimentary layers. In other words, we can—and should—study the rocks, but the claim that rocks prove the earth must be billions of years old ignores one important point: such an interpretation is built upon a stack of assumptions. When we start from the Bible and examine the rocks within the framework of a global Flood, the need for long ages vanishes.

    Argument 10
    Mutations drive evolution

    Perhaps because of movies and fiction, the popular idea is that mutations make evolution go. Given enough time, shifts in the genetic code will produce all the variety of plants and animals on earth—and beyond. The problem? Mutations cannot produce the types of changes evolution requires—not even close. Some may benefit an organism (e.g., beetles on a windy island losing wings), but virtually every time mutations come with a cost.

    Argument 11
    The Scopes trial

    Misconceptions about the Scopes trial run rampant. Often, accounts sound something like this: Fundamentalist Christian bigots arrested an innocent biology teacher fighting for scientific freedom, and while they won the court case, they ultimately lost the public perception battle to the well reasoned presentation of the defense. Thanks to the play Inherit the Wind, this common—though completely flawed—perception of the event continues to be used against creationists. But real history presents a much different account.

    Argument 12
    Science vs. religion

    News stories thrive on conflict and intrigue, and one common theme presents science and religion as opposing forces—reason struggling to overcome draconian divine revelation. It grabs attention, but it’s bunk. Many atheists and humanists oppose biblical Christianity, but science does not. After all, the truth of a risen Savior and an inerrant Bible puts quite the damper on the belief that God cannot exist. However, science, as a tool for research, works quite well within (and, in fact, requires) a God-created universe. Otherwise, there’d be no reason to do science in the first place.

    http://www.answersingenesis.org

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    Re: Twelve Arguments Evolutionists Should Avoid

    Kanadahye + religious redicalization = Cory
    Hayastan or Bust.

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      Re: Twelve Arguments Evolutionists Should Avoid

      Here is evolution 101 from Berkley university go and learn something, http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/article/evo_01

      PS the theory of evolution is as much as fact as theory of gravity and relativity.
      You should never argue with idiots because they will just drag you down to their level....then beat you with experience!!!!!!!

      "I disagree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it" Voltaire

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        Re: Twelve Arguments Evolutionists Should Avoid

        Originally posted by KarotheGreat View Post
        Here is evolution 101 from Berkley university go and learn something, http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/article/evo_01

        PS the theory of evolution is as much as fact as theory of gravity and relativity.
        So do you think your brain was intelligently designed?

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          Re: Twelve Arguments Evolutionists Should Avoid

          Originally posted by Cory View Post
          So do you think your brain was intelligently designed?
          No because "intelligent design" is creationism in a cheap tuxedo.

          Do not come here to post massive amounts of text you are copying from elsewhere. That's basically spamming.


          Originally posted by KarotheGreat View Post
          Here is evolution 101 from Berkley university go and learn something, http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/article/evo_01

          PS the theory of evolution is as much as fact as theory of gravity and relativity.
          This is a good resource for actually understanding what the theory says and what evidence supports it. It seems like a good first step so you (talking to Cory) can do a better job of criticizing it. Thus far, you've only misrepresented and misstated it, only highlighting that your only information on what evolutionary theory actually states is based on the PREACHINGS of people like Hovind whose goal is to bring visitors to his creationist themepark and to add to this congregation.
          [COLOR=#4b0082][B][SIZE=4][FONT=trebuchet ms]“If you think you can, or you can’t, you’re right.”
          -Henry Ford[/FONT][/SIZE][/B][/COLOR]

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          • #6
            Re: Twelve Arguments Evolutionists Should Avoid

            If it wasn't for God there would have been no Big Bang.

            Keep them religious books written by men.......God is great, beer is good, and people are crazy.
            The 11th commandment was written by the blood of Armenians.
            B0zkurt Hunter

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              Re: Twelve Arguments Evolutionists Should Avoid

              Originally posted by Siggie View Post
              This is a good resource for actually understanding what the theory says and what evidence supports it. It seems like a good first step so you (talking to Cory) can do a better job of criticizing it. Thus far, you've only misrepresented and misstated it, only highlighting that your only information on what evolutionary theory actually states is based on the PREACHINGS of people like Hovind whose goal is to bring visitors to his creationist themepark and to add to this congregation.
              The evolution theory has totally consumed the education system and the secular media in general. You do realize that right? And your website is going to be any different from all the other fake science books how?

              It is only when you are asked to believe in Reason coming from non-reason that you must cry Halt. Human minds. They do not come from nowhere.

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                Re: Twelve Arguments Evolutionists Should Avoid

                Originally posted by Eddo211 View Post
                If it wasn't for God there would have been no Big Bang.

                Keep them religious books written by men.......God is great, beer is good, and people are crazy.
                The 11th commandment was written by the blood of Armenians.
                Amen
                <<եթե զենք էլ չլինի' ես քարերով կկրվեմ>>

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                  Re: Twelve Arguments Evolutionists Should Avoid

                  Originally posted by Cory View Post
                  The evolution theory has totally consumed the education system and the secular media in general. You do realize that right?...
                  Dude I am totally with you on this one. I'm sick of it. Just like I am sick of the theory of 2+2=4 having taken over all math classes. What's up with that?
                  this post = teh win.

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                    Re: Twelve Arguments Evolutionists Should Avoid

                    Originally posted by Sip View Post
                    Dude I am totally with you on this one. I'm sick of it. Just like I am sick of the theory of 2+2=4 having taken over all math classes. What's up with that?
                    LOL

                    looks like "Cory" is on multiple forums

                    http://www.politicsforum.org/forum/v...?f=26&t=145139


                    lmao my favorite response

                    "These people actually have votes and are driving that car coming towards you !

                    ..and they could be the next President of the United States of America"
                    <<եթե զենք էլ չլինի' ես քարերով կկրվեմ>>

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