Ring of Gyges

[Anonymouse]

Originally posted by spiral So then I can argue that what is "just" is relative to time and place?

I'm having trouble drifting to 'morality'

also, It would be safe to argue that "one man's hero, is another man's terrorist"...?


It seems like anyhting I come up with is just validation,or excuses. Nothing solid.

Well, what do you want to argue?

That book I gave and the link to amazon is your best bet for an objective study of Nazi Germany.

What is it exactly that you are trying to argue? Nazi Germany was never allowed to live on so that we can see if it failed or not.

After the victory of the allies, Nazism was simply smeared with every evil imaginable. The Allies were guilty of the same thing.

To the German people Hitler was indeed a Hero, and in fact one has to look within the context of Germany and the history of the German peoples.

Maybe if you clarify what you want to argue then it would be of help.

[spiral]

My whole point is "does might make right"

I need to use Hitler as an example- I can't use him as an argument against, I need to use him as an argument for.

That's the topic, not Hitler- Hitler's supposed to be a supporting aspect for the argument.

So far I used the arguments posed by thrasymacus, and Glaucon- and Hume
and I used Nietzsche to
discredit the validity of morality.

lol
it's an annoying essay, and I constantly stray off topic. I just thought you'd have some suggestions on arguments that can be used.

I'll take a look at the book though, it may help in pointing For Hitler.

[Anonymouse]

Well, like I said, from the perspective of Nazism, Hitler believed that might makes right. Force is necessary as survival needs force. Those who do not want to fight, do not deserve to live, to paraphrase a line from Mein Kampf.

In that regard, the individuals were part of the whole. Hitler recognized, much like Marx, that there is no individual aside from the whole. Contrary to Marx, he recognized the personality and power and creativity and ambition that only the individual expressed, not the masses, and so Nazism, was an attempt to gather those individuals of that nation to be the lifeblood and feed it. He realized if unharnessed the individual force is blunt and untamed and can serve other interests, not necessarily the nation, thus it had to be brought under that umbrella. For the good of the nation, there will be sacrificed no doubt, or else as Hitler says, the nation will perish, and this is one of Hitler's points, rather his major point.

At all points in history all civilizations rise and fall because of mixing of the people with other people. Therefore he realized this and wanted to preseve and grow that particular civilization, the German civilization. So according to Hitler, the individuals had to be made to serve the nation, rather than allow themselves to serve for interests that might work counter to the nation.