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    I'm graduating next year (summer of 2005) with a Specialised Honours B.A in English Literature, and I am thinking of applying to graduate school. I have a few universities in mind, and perhaps 2 subjects that I will have to choose from, either English Literature or philosophy. I'm already beginning to get worried about what would be the best choice for me, as I don't want the same thing to happen (basically taking two years of Computer Science, then changing major to a completely unrelated thing).. I can't possibly do that in graduate school. And I don't want to waste time or money even if I can do that.

    On the one hand, English Literature sounds rather boring. I'm about to cry from the extent of boredom to which I am subjected. I don't understand what they want in the essays. They write comments in essays, and want something, and when you give them it in the next essay, they say the opposite. I don't get it. And I don't really think English Literature is something worth majoring in (both on undergrad and grad levels). It is a serious waste of time and money. Anyone can analyse a passage. You won't learn anything, and most probably won't contribute anything. You will just be analysing other people's works, and maybe if you're lucky, publish a book of criticicsm...

    On the other hand, my interests lie in philosophy. Having said that, I've only taken one course in philosophy, and I did great on it. I got an A (class average was a C, and the class had 300 people in it). But the problem with this is that I don't have any philosophy courses on my transcript, and perhaps not enough base knowledge to be admitted to graduate studies in philosophy... So I was thinking about dedicating this summer to reading and reading and catching up on all the things I would've taken had I been majoring in philosophy. Or at least as much as I can. But I am not sure how that would help in being admitted to grad school. All they want is an application, transcript, and 2 or 3 references. Some universities don't even ask for a personal statement. They just ask where your research interests lie.

    So now the problem is that, I've only taken 1 philosophy course, and I didn't know the professor, and the professor didn't know me, because we had T.A's (teaching assistants) who ran tutorials, and they marked our papers, etc. But T.A's are graduate students and can't write reference letters... Would it be right if I go to the prof and ask him if he could fill out a reference letter? But the reference letter assumes that the prof. knows the student, and in my case, the prof doesn't even know my name (probably). And even if he did fill it out, I'd still have to get 2 more references letters (I'm thinking about giving one to my logic - discrete math prof. because it's related to philosophy), but the other one I don't know who to give it to. Is it required that the reference be filled out by someone in the field you are planning on pursuing in graduate school? i.e. can someone do their bachelor's in English and their master's in philosophy??!

    And what are some tips for asking profs for reference letters? I don't know any of my profs well enough, as I'm not an exceptionally bright student and so I don't stand out from the rest of the class, and I never go to office hours, unlike some people. Instead, I just e-mail them, so I never get to know them in person and all that... Is it right to ask a prof. you never even talked to, to write a reference letter for you?

    And I will ask this because I know a lot of you are in Cali, how's UCLA when it comes to either English Lit. or philosophy? Especially philosophy.

    Note that I will be an international student if I decide to study in either Canada or the States... (tuition here in Canada is lower than tuition for UCLA, for overseas students).

    And they say that the average should be at least a B+... is that true??!??! I mean, do they strictly adhere to it??? Are my chances of getting into grad school gone forever? I have a C+ average so far (due to some really bad times and personal issues, which resulted in a failure and a few D's), but most of my grades are B+...... What are the admission procedures like? Do I even stand a chance with a C+? I'm trying to pull up my GPA to a B, but that might not happen if some dumb*ss professor decides to mark my paper according to his daily mood.

    And what are some suggestions for universities? I've been thinking of the American University of Armenia, but they don't seem to have many programs?? On my list of priorities are - University of Glasgow, University of Manchester, University of Liverpool, University of Aberdeen, UCLA, York University. How many universities would you normally apply to? lol.. I want to apply to as many as I can (depending on application fees, of course), so as to widen my chances of getting in to ONE.. And it seems like I can't apply to more than one program in grad studies (unlike undergrad studies),, right? So I will have to choose before I'm applying.. ?

    Uhhh, I know, long post.. Sorry... If anyone knows the answers to these, that'd be great lol.. I know it's a bit early still, but man, in September, I should start applying, eh... the excitement of it all!! Any other university suggestions? lol

    dan
    Last edited by Darorinag; 02-24-2004, 09:42 PM.

  • #2
    I'd go with philosophy.
    Achkerov kute.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Anonymouse I'd go with philosophy.
      I don't think I'm gonna apply to English Literature anyway. I hate it already, I don't think I can bear to spend my whole life thinking about it. UGH!!

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      • #4
        GO TO OFFICE HOURS.

        go to office hours.


        DID I MENTION, GO TO OFFICE HOURS?!?!?!?!?!





        Professors have enough power in their little pinky to make a C+ average seem like it came from someone with more talent than the entire western hemisphere combined. REALLY. I can't tell you how much office hours saved my ass from not graduating due to such 'problems'. Your good looks and wit and candor, and oh yes, test taking skills, can only get you so far, OFFICE HOURS, now there is the key to your success.




        I'd go for philosophy too. if you're going to think about something all day long, that might as well be it.





        Go to office hours.
        The test of a first-rate intelligence is the ability to hold two opposing ideas in mind at the same time and still retain the ability to function. -- F. Scott Fitzgerald

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        • #5
          Please don't listen to those two. Work a year or two after school before you decide what you want to do. Unless that's not possible because of your visa status. AND UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCE GO INTO PHILOSOPHY.

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          • #6
            lol, i think i agree with ckbejug.. but, what do i say when I go? it feels weird to go there to ask one small question.. and really, what do i ask about english literature? if it had been about computer science, sure, you could ask a lot of questions... but.. lol.. ? hmm. and to add, i'm shy lol. ugh, so i guess i will have to go... hmmm....

            patlajan, work where and do what???? there are no jobs whatsoever in English... I know a lot of computer science, but the want a degree to give jobs... so i can't do that either... hmm. and even then, there's my visa problem.. ugh.. so i guess it will be grad school for me right after undergrad studies... besides, i want to be done with it as soon as possible.. i want(ed) to get into the air force or police college, so that means i can't wait until i'm 30 lol. i dont know.. hmm

            i guess i'm a confused lil kid lol.. ahh well.. i guess things will be more clear when the day comes.

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            • #7
              First of all, why don't you stick to computer science?

              Second of all, admission procedures vary greatly from place to place. I know for computer science and computer engineering so that's what I'll focus on ...

              What matters are:

              1) GPA and which school gave you that GPA
              2) GRE scores ... verbal, quantitative, and analytical ... and a subject test

              Most places want to see either math or computer science subject test. I can tell you that the regular GRE is just like SAT. But the subject test is fairly tough.

              Most CS grad applicants at good universities score pretty highly on quantitative and analytical ... verbal scores vary a lot. But if you can't score in top 90% for math and qualitative, then chances may get dramatically low at good places.

              3) Rec letters

              That is clearly a tough one for an undergrad student as they only take classes. So try to get it from a boss or someone who you did very well in their class. Weak rec letters will hurt you if it comes down to it. Most often though, they won't have time to read those letters as they get piles and piles of applications. The letters are a last resort that will make or break you if you are border line.


              ckBejug got it right though ... if a professor wants you in his or her program, getting admitted might be a lot easier than you think. But in order for that to happen, you really have to stand out anyway ... especially if that professor is going to financially support you.

              At UCLA, I had it really easy. When you have a GPA above 3.5, you are automatically accepted to the grad school ... no GRE no rec letters nothing else needed. Although I did take the GRE, both the general and the computer science subject test.
              this post = teh win.

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              • #8
                First of all, why don't you stick to computer science?
                Computer Science is one of those things I would not do if I am told, but would do when it's not required of me. Hence why I didn't continue with it. I've changed my major, so it's a bit late now, I think. I was thinking about doing my B.A in IT, but that went down the drain because I couldn't book an advising appointment and get an adviser's signature on my change of major form.... what a pain.. eh? So yea, I'm not gonna change my major again now, unless I decide not to ever graduate lol... I've changed my major 10 times already.. back and forth, even went into psychology, but luckily went out of it quickly enough lol.

                I don't know what else I can do. I don't want Computer Science for a career.. I don't think I know what I want though. I guess I don't have the motivation to go into anything because I haven't had GREAT marks in any of them, except philosophy and Math.. lol. So I'm gonna have to think twice about that English Literature thing... I'm doing my B.A in English because i never thought about philosophy at the time, and now i'm stuck with this, and want to use it to step into other fields, if I can.....but i'm not sure if my marks will allow me to.

                As for GRE, i checked all the universities in the UK, and they don't require it...? the university i attend doesn't require it either, i think. I'm not sure about that one.. but yea, they just want transcripts, and for international students, TOEFL, which i'm exempted from.

                what's a GPA of 3.5? out of what, 4? our system here is out of 9...
                is 3.5 a B+? most universities say that the minimum requirement for admission is a B+ , or an upper second class for the British system.. I don't know though..

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                • #9
                  Yah pardon me ... forgot to add anything I say is very US biased cause that's really the only system I know!

                  GPA 3.5 is out of 4.

                  And right now your goal should be to wrap up any undergrad degree as soon as possible and get it over with. My questions were more about what to do at graduate level. And certainly your undergrad degree shouldn't lock you into a specific field.

                  I have known people with civil engineering degrees who have dones Ph.D.'s in history, english majors who have taken MCAT and gone on to med school, chemistry masters who have gone into computer science phd, and a LOT of other screwey things you can imagine.

                  That's why they make you take the GRE and the GRE subject test to get into CS graduate program ... that will say what you know about CS and whether you have what it takes ... not the classes you have taken and not what undergrad "degree" you have.

                  So for now, just wrap it up whatever it is ... english, philosophy, whatever. It won't make much difference!
                  this post = teh win.

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                  • #10
                    yeah, i am desparately trying to wrap it up, but it seems like things are popping out of nowhere and like it's gonna take me forever to graduate.. 4 years is ... too much. lol..

                    OK, so now you've given me hope that i might be able to do something other than english literature... But if i'm applying to a university that normally doesn't require GRE, would i have to sit for it if i'm doing something i have no proof of knowledge of? Or will it be a downright rejection, if they don't have it in their system to ask for GRE or whatever.. isn't GRE based in North America anyway? like SAT I or something? I remember sitting for SAT I for an American based university that required the results for the admission process, but not any other universities that i applied to..

                    i think i'm confused. blah lol.

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