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  • #51
    From www.ffrf.org (Freedom from Religion Foundation):

    Was Jesus Peaceable And Compassionate?

    The birth of Jesus was heralded with "Peace on Earth," yet Jesus said, "Think not that I am come to send peace: I came not to send peace but a sword." (Matthew 10:34) "He that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one." (Luke 22:36) "But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me." (Luke 19:27. In a parable, but spoken of favorably.)

    The burning of unbelievers during the Inquisition was based on the words of Jesus: "If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned." (John 15:6)

    Jesus looked at his critics "with anger" (Mark 3:5), and attacked merchants with a whip (John 2:15). He showed his respect for life by drowning innocent animals (Matthew 8:32). He refused to heal a sick child until he was pressured by the mother (Matthew 15:22-28).

    The most revealing aspect of his character was his promotion of eternal torment. "The Son of man [Jesus himself] shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth." (Matthew 13:41-42) "And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched." (Mark 9:43)

    Is this nice? Is it exemplary to make your point with threats of violence? Is hell a kind, peaceful idea?

    Did Jesus Promote "Family Values"?

    "If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple." (Luke 14:26)

    "I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. And a man's foes shall be they of his own household." (Matthew 10:35-36)

    When one of his disciples requested time off for his father's funeral, Jesus rebuked him: "Let the dead bury their dead." (Matthew 8:22)

    Jesus never used the word "family." He never married or fathered children. To his own mother, he said, "Woman, what have I to do with thee?" (John 2:4)

    What Were His Views On Equality And Social Justice?

    Jesus encouraged the beating of slaves: "And that servant [slave], which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes." (Luke 12:47) He never denounced servitude, incorporating the master-slave relationship into many of his parables.

    He did nothing to alleviate poverty. Rather than sell some expensive ointment to help the poor, Jesus wasted it on himself, saying, "Ye have the poor with you always." (Mark 14:3-7)

    No women were chosen as disciples or invited to the Last Supper.

    What Moral Advice Did Jesus Give?

    "There be eunuchs which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it." (Matthew 19:12) Some believers, including church father Origen, took this verse literally and castrated themselves. Even metaphorically, this advice is in poor taste.

    If you do something wrong with your eye or hand, cut/pluck it off (Matthew 5:29-30, in a sexual context).
    Marrying a divorced woman is adultery. (Matthew 5:32)
    Don't plan for the future. (Matthew 6:34)
    Don't save money. (Matthew 6:19-20)
    Don't become wealthy. (Mark 10:21-25)
    Sell everything and give it to the poor. (Luke 12:33)
    Don't work to obtain food. (John 6:27)
    Don't have sexual urges. (Matthew 5:28)
    Make people want to persecute you. (Matthew 5:11)
    Let everyone know you are better than the rest. (Matthew 5:13-16)
    Take money from those who have no savings and give it to rich investors. (Luke 19:23-26)
    If someone steals from you, don't try to get it back. (Luke 6:30)
    If someone hits you, invite them to do it again. (Matthew 5:39)
    If you lose a lawsuit, give more than the judgment. (Matthew 5:40)
    If someone forces you to walk a mile, walk two miles. (Matthew 5:41)
    If anyone asks you for anything, give it to them without question. (Matthew 5:42)
    Is this wise? Is this what you would teach your children?

    Was Jesus Reliable?

    Jesus told his disciples that they would not die before his second coming: "There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom" (Matthew 16:28). "Behold, I come quickly." (Revelation 3:11) It's been 2,000 years, and believers are still waiting for his "quick" return.

    He mistakenly claimed that the mustard seed is "the least of all seeds" (Matt. 13:32), and that salt could "lose its savour" (Matthew 5:13).

    Jesus said that whoever calls somebody a "fool" shall be in danger of hell fire (Matthew 5:22), yet he called people "fools" himself (Matthew 23:17).

    Regarding his own truthfulness, Jesus gave two conflicting opinions: "If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true" (John 5:31), and "Though I bear record of myself, yet my record is true" (John 8:14).

    Was Jesus A Good Example?

    He irrationally cursed a fig tree for being fruitless out of season (Matthew 21:18-19, and Mark 11:13-14). He broke the law by stealing corn on the Sabbath (Mark 2:23), and he encouraged his disciples to take a horse without asking permission (Matthew 21).

    The "humble" Jesus said that he was "greater than the temple" (Matt 12:6), "greater than Jonah" (Matthew 12:41), and "greater than Solomon" (Matthew 12:42). He appeared to suffer from a dictator's "paranoia" when he said, "He that is not with me is against me" (Matthew 12:30).

    Why Jesus?

    Although other verses can be cited that portray Jesus in a different light, they do not erase the disturbing side of his character. The conflicting passages, however, prove that the New Testament is contradictory.

    The "Golden Rule" had been said many times by earlier religious leaders. (Confucius: "Do not unto others that you would not have them do unto you.") "Turn the other cheek" encourages victims to invite further violence. "Love thy neighbor" applied only to fellow believers. (Neither the Jews nor Jesus showed much love to foreign religions). A few of the Beatitudes ("Blessed are the peacemakers") are acceptable, but they are all conditions of future reward, not based on respect for human life or values.

    On the whole, Jesus said little that was worthwhile. He introduced nothing new to ethics (except hell). He instituted no social programs. Being "omniscient," he could have shared some useful science or medicine, but he appeared ignorant of such things (as if his character were merely the invention of writers stuck in the first century).

    Why is Jesus so special? It would be more reasonable and productive to emulate real, flesh-and-blood human beings who have contributed to humanity--mothers who have given birth, scientists who have alleviated suffering, social reformers who have fought injustice--than to worship a character of such dubious qualities as Jesus.

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    • #52
      ^ great post lol..

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      • #53
        That article is purposefuly deceitful.

        The birth of Jesus was heralded with "Peace on Earth," yet Jesus said, "Think not that I am come to send peace: I came not to send peace but a sword." (Matthew 10:34)
        That passage is about division between those who will choose to believe and those who will not. The heading of that paragraph is "Jesus a cause for division" and not voilence.
        "He that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one." (Luke 22:36)
        This is taken totaly out of context. Jesus is talking about a crisis that is about to happen, and that they are soon going to be rounded up by the Romans. The passage ends with "Then they said "Lord look, there are two swords here." But he replied, "It is enough!" Clearly he wasn't trying to organize an army.
        "But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me." (Luke 19:27. In a parable, but spoken of favorably.)
        WOW This is the stupidest one so far. This is a story about a nobleman that Jesus is telling. Those are the nobleman's words in Jesus's story. The story is about the rich abusing their workers.

        Jesus looked at his critics "with anger"
        He looked at his critics with anger because they would not help a man with a hurt hand. The end of that passage is "Looking around at them with anger and grieved at their hardiness of heart he said to the man "stretch out your hand" He stretched out his hand and was restored."

        What Were His Views On Equality And Social Justice?

        Jesus encouraged the beating of slaves: "And that servant [slave], which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes." (Luke 12:47) He never denounced servitude, incorporating the master-slave relationship into many of his parables.
        Once again a few sentences are taken out of context. That passage is about not taking advatage of one's position to punish others. "But if that servant......begins to beat the menservants and the miadservants to eat drink and get drunk then the servants master will come on an unexpected day and at an unexpected hour and will punish him...."

        And the servant's master is God. The servant could be anyone.

        Whoever wrote that had an agenda and lied to everyone that read the article.
        Last edited by patlajan; 03-07-2004, 09:17 PM.

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        • #54
          Uph, strong reply there Patlajan jan (I smile everytime I type that).

          What I don't understand is everyone who doesn't believe in Jesus will go around saying that they tolerate no other religion, but from what I've seen, it is atheists or satanists or whatever else that will be the most insulting towards Christianity.

          And why doesn't anyone mention the positive results Christianity has brought? What about all the charities that are sponsored and organized by the Church?

          It's always easier to look at something from one point of view, and ignore everything else.

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          • #55
            As is usually the case with the atheist websites that try to bash religion, they have to cherry pick quotes out of context to then have a story.

            I am to guess loser has never read the Bible in its entirety.
            Achkerov kute.

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            • #56
              Baron Dants, what are you talking about? I'm assuming you haven't seen Christians who are against atheists... Trust me, they're worse than the atheists who are not so tolerant of Christians... but arguing against Christianity doesn't mean being intlerant of it, at least in my books. it's called debating or discussing something.

              Anon, how do you know what the REAL context of the text was anyway? there are double meanings in many of the passages in the bible. it's open to interpretation, hence it could be used in a variety of contexts.

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              • #57
                Originally posted by Darorinag Baron Dants, what are you talking about? I'm assuming you haven't seen Christians who are against atheists... Trust me, they're worse than the atheists who are not so tolerant of Christians... but arguing against Christianity doesn't mean being intlerant of it, at least in my books. it's called debating or discussing something.

                Anon, how do you know what the REAL context of the text was anyway? there are double meanings in many of the passages in the bible. it's open to interpretation, hence it could be used in a variety of contexts.
                How can I know the real context? Obviously by reading each of the sentences quoted in its entire context.

                Cherry picking certain quotes that only make sense within which book or story they are being described to then have a case is not a wise mans game, and only the nerfbrains attempt it.
                Achkerov kute.

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                • #58
                  Originally posted by Anonymouse Okay, all of you turds ruined my thread...

                  Your thread sucked from the get go. It had to do with everyone's imaginary friend Jesus, for [sex]'s sake.
                  Last edited by Arvestaked; 03-11-2004, 10:40 AM.

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                  • #59
                    the local marxist (my goodself) said jesus was a muppet without making any political statement.

                    the local fascist xxxxlessjan made it political so up yours hombre

                    Athiests are against religious people because religious muppets try to force their bullxxxx views on us

                    eg when im trying to get it on with me gf, i dont need a xxxxin jehovas witness knocking on my door, making me wear my clothes, walk downstairs to teh door, only to find its a jehova knocking on my door and wasting my xxxxing time. for jehova change for your local religious nutcase who comes knocking.

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                    • #60
                      Originally posted by Mikoyan Athiests are against religious people because religious muppets try to force their bullxxxx views on us.
                      This is misleading. I am an atheist and I do not have any qualms with anyone. It is a personal philosophy that is no different from anyone else's personal philosophy, religious or not. The only thing I am against is my personal belief in a god.

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