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  • #21
    yesterday after walking to my apartment from campus I noticed three homeless people standing around as though they were waiting for someone..I was somewhat afraid to pass them on my way home but it was the only way I can get home so I just walked in their direction. One of the women approached me and asked me for some money..I honestly would've given it to her if I had the money in my pocket but my wallet was in my bookbag and I was really afraid to open my bookbag, take my wallet out, and hand them some money. And since there were three of them and only one of me (this pathway that I walk is in a park in the woods) I just wanted to get home as quick as possible. It was obvious that they were drunks and addicts, but I still felt bad for them.

    There are those homeless people that can change their lives and get a job, but then there are those who are completely lost. There are veterans and people what have been convicted and our out of prison. I mean these people most likely want to work but what are the chances of a convict getting a decent job? The only job they might be hired to do is factory work, but with all the jobs being sent out of the country, that's no longer an option.

    I used to volunteer at an Open Door Ministry, we served food for the homeless, but I think a lot of them werent homeless, they just didnt have enough money to buy food. And SagGal, even though you say that these shelters provide food for the homeless, well they dont have enough to provide for everyone. The place I volunteered at, when all the seats were filled they would close the doors to everyone else waiting outside in line. There just isnt enough food in one shelter to feed every homeless person.

    Like I said before in this forum, I grew up in a small town and I actually never saw a single homeless person on the street, sleeping or begging for food. I never even saw a homeless person on the street until I visited NYC, and I was so surprised of how many there were there. It was so sad...it was as if nobody saw them. Now that I'm living in the capital city of NC, I see a lot of homeless people, especially around campus. now that I see them so often, I'm afraid that I'm becoming one of those people that passes them by and completely ignores the fact that there is a person, a human being, on the dirt floor sleeping.

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    • #22
      Originally posted by Inna
      And SagGal, even though you say that these shelters provide food for the homeless, well they dont have enough to provide for everyone. The place I volunteered at, when all the seats were filled they would close the doors to everyone else waiting outside in line. There just isnt enough food in one shelter to feed every homeless person.
      Inna, I never said that these shelters are enough for them. It is just an advantage for them and this advantage is getting worse. I guess I just don't want them to count on it for the rest of their life. This whole thing is half 'n half for me. I feel very sorry for these people and I can't say that I never gave money to them, but there is also something that surprises me and that is that sometimes I see see them asking money for alcohol. The situation they are in, yet they ask people money for alcohol.
      I see...

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      • #23
        Originally posted by SagGal
        Inna, I never said that these shelters are enough for them. It is just an advantage for them and this advantage is getting worse. I guess I just don't want them to count on it for the rest of their life. This whole thing is half 'n half for me.
        I know what you mean. It is sad. but that is the life they choose, we cant judge them.

        I feel very sorry for these people and I can't say that I never gave money to them, but there is also something that surprises me and that is that sometimes I see see them asking money for alcohol. The situation they are in, yet they ask people money for alcohol.
        I think alcohol is the only thing that they feel can take the pain (being homeless and hungery and suffering all the time) away.

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        • #24
          Wtf? An advantage??? it's a right... but of course, you might not agree with me, not having been in that situation before. How would you like to be treated if life dealt you a crappy hand or if something accidental happened and you became homeless? I suppose you'd love it if someone says that you shouldn't count on a shelter for the rest of your life...

          The people you are talking about (asking money for alcohol) are a very very small minority compared to the number of homeless people going around. Besides, I think it's possible to sort out these people's problems too, through counselling and fighting addiction. But you need a budget and resources for that. You need programs and campaigns. But what will people like you say? Oh, there's no need for a permanent thing - don't get them to count on it for the rest of their lives. Get out of here. I hate it when people talk about things and take a cold-hearted position when they know nothing about a situation.

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          • #25
            Oh, there's no need for a permanent thing...
            I NEVER SAID THAT!
            OMG. DAN!!!! You are missunderstanding everything I say. Get this through your head: The homeless shelters are GREAT!!! It is definitely something to be thankful for. You making me look like a cold hearted b**** because you are twisting my words. I'm saying that the shelters seem to be getting worse and worse. You said it yourself that not everyone gets food at those shelters.

            OK. See, I knew you would make this all personal.
            I see...

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            • #26
              I guess I just don't want them to count on it for the rest of their life.
              Yes you did. And what you said in that quote means that you think it should be something temporary. Temporary = not permanent. Got it? Ooook!!

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              • #27
                Yes you did. And what you said in that quote means that you think it should be something temporary
                Here, I am quoting myself
                I guess I just don't want them to count on it for the rest of their life.
                because what if GOD FORBID (maybe these words will get trough that stubborn head of yours) the shelters are going to get even worse. They are getting worse already. Worse as in not helping the homeless that much and the donations have dropped.
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                • #28
                  How can the shelters get worse if people donate and help them out? That is the crux of the thread. Helping homeless people. Once you educate people and break the stigma and stereotype of the homeless person, there won't be as many problems. And so what do you suggest? That we cut down on the number of spaces in shelters so that they'd get used to it just in case a time comes when they REALLY have nowhere to go?

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                  • #29
                    Oh my my, I thought I got through to you but I guess I need to dig deeper.
                    How can the shelters get worse if people donate and help them out?
                    Donations keep dropping over the years.

                    That we cut down on the number of spaces in shelters so that they'd get used to it just in case a time comes when they REALLY have nowhere to go?
                    Jees, thanks. Don't put words in mouth because I would never suggest that. They need all the help they can get. It's just that some of them might think that those services will always be there. OK, they might, but from I've seen, heard, and read, they are getting worse.
                    I see...

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                    • #30
                      Donations keep dropping over the years.
                      That is because people think it's going in vain. Some are even cold-hearted enough to say that it's something that doesn't lie on their conscience because they already pay taxes and the government is responsible for it... In other words, they'd rather donate to an animal shelter than a homeless shelter... But what do I know... perhaps human life is no longer more precious than animal life... oh well..

                      Believe me, even if they think it will always be there, do you think they won't make the effort to move up in the hierarchy if they had the chance? I personally would. And I know that most would too. Unless we're talking about the lazy drunkards.

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