Changing Faces

[Anonymouse]

She was not bad when she was young.

I bet you still like her, don't you? Satanist!

[DvlzAdvocate]

I think it is ludicris to blame it solely on the media. Although it does play a HUGE part, so do PARENTS! As far as changing an economy, it will be hard! BUT changing it back to the way it was, I think is impossible!

[Anonymouse]

Or better yet Iraqis, after the fall of the strict regime enjoying liberation and their newly gained freedom by looting. There are repressed desires or feelings but there is not remedy of how to deal with change.

That is a gross mischaracterization of "freedom". The looting was sparked by the invasion of a superpower, that destroyed the infrastructure of society and hampered on the daily functions of life. That has nothing to do with freedom, but more of a reaction toward the invasion and occupation via the use of force.

[anileve]

None of your complaining about what's on tv will make us stop liking good looking women. When you rule the world and put nothing but Murder She Wrote on every station, we'll still like pretty women.

What the heck are you babbling about? Whoever said anything about beautiful women? Do you guys read at all? I mentioned condoning eroticism and nudity and representing it as a natural thing. I mentioned not condoning the mistreatment of women by men who are newly exposed to racy material on TV or the big screen. What does any of this have to do with watching beautiful women on TV, I will never understand. Are you sure you posted in the right thread?

[anileve]

I think you misunderstood what I said. There is no link between what I said and what YOU said. At least, I don't see it.

You are right, I misunderstood. What was your point? I simply took your statement and drew a parallel.

[anileve]

I think it is ludicris to blame it solely on the media. Although it does play a HUGE part, so do PARENTS! As far as changing an economy, it will be hard! BUT changing it back to the way it was, I think is impossible!

That's true, but the same occured in the Soviet Union. I was there during the transition and still remember watching very modest displays of affection which didn't go beyond a platonic hug. However, with the popular explosion of the American cinema, people started painting on naked sculptures words "Sex" and there was suddenly this buzz about sex in the air, because it was so taboo. So anything that is visual has much more of an impact on our behavior than simple words or thoughts. Images have always played a significant role in influencing our minds. Think our beauty standards, commercials we see on TV or a simple display of wealth. But you are right, parents have a lot to do with that, the educational value has to be there before one is exposed to shocking new concepts without any preparation.

[anileve]

That is a gross mischaracterization of "freedom". The looting was sparked by the invasion of a superpower, that destroyed the infrastructure of society and hampered on the daily functions of life. That has nothing to do with freedom, but more of a reaction toward the invasion and occupation via the use of force.

What? People taking to the streets and steeling from one another, mental institutions, schools and libraries was a retaliation towards the liberation of the superpower? What about killing staff of Doctors with Borders who provide aid to the sick and poor? It's those repressed feelings which I speak of, the fact that they have been confined and restricted by the dictatorial government which "safeguarded their traditional values." Now that they are free they are lost, because rationalization, education and independent thought was never encouraged by their previous regime, thus they don't know how to deal with it. Same as in this case, when men are assaulting women since they saw naked flesh in their popular media, therefore they feel like it's more accepted. There is a lack of preparation and education.

Interestingly enough one of my coworkers from Bangladesh told us that it's much easier for her to memorize since in schools they always advocated memorization rather than critical thinking. And talks of sex and feelings is not appropriate.

[patlajan]

What the heck are you babbling about? Whoever said anything about beautiful women? Do you guys read at all? I mentioned condoning eroticism and nudity and representing it as a natural thing. I mentioned not condoning the mistreatment of women by men who are newly exposed to racy material on TV or the big screen. What does any of this have to do with watching beautiful women on TV, I will never understand. Are you sure you posted in the right thread?

Um here is what you are not understanding. The people behind the television go to great lenghts to figure out what it is THE AUDIENCE WANTS. And then they give it to them. They are in the business of giving people what they want in exchange for ratings. So you see they're not making this shmit up for their own amusement. They're making it up for ours. If you have a beef with somebody it should be the public, made up of men who you so despise.

I'm thinking about boobs right now as I'm typing. Just you try and stop me!!

[anileve]

I'm thinking about boobs right now as I'm typing. Just you try and stop me!!

Oh noooo, I will do no such thing. In fact I thank you for telling me, because now I understand why your posts carry no relevance to the topic.

If you have a beef with somebody it should be the public, made up of men who you so despise.

Correction just one at the moment...for making such a brilliant observation.

[Anonymouse]

What? People taking to the streets and steeling from one another, mental institutions, schools and libraries was a retaliation towards the liberation of the superpower? What about killing staff of Doctors with Borders who provide aid to the sick and poor? It's those repressed feelings which I speak of, the fact that they have been confined and restricted by the dictatorial government which "safeguarded their traditional values." Now that they are free they are lost, because rationalization, education and independent thought was never encouraged by their previous regime, thus they don't know how to deal with it. Same as in this case, when men are assaulting women since they saw naked flesh in their popular media, therefore they feel like it's more accepted. There is a lack of preparation and education.

That is the worst psychonalaytic spin I've seen given on the situation in Iraq. One wonders why people don't see the bigger picture. For the superpower to systematically create widespread destruction, havoc and disorder, bombing, and "Shock and Awe", and to have that offered as evidence of "people cannot handle freedom", is indeed disturbing. Despite that your view implies people are babies, and cannot handle freedom, people are rational, and cooperate. Why is it that there isn't that sort of looting any other day on the marketplace? Why did it coincidentally happen when one of the biggest powers destroyed that country systematically? Furthermore, how many doctors were killed? Or how many people were genuinely killed that were trying to "help them"? You go on to make giant claims of all these people dying and stuff, yet forget that the main concentration of violence and looting that occured was was days after heavy bombings and shellings, in areas where there was alot of American presence, most notably, Baghdad.