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  • #31
    I find it hard to believe your portrayal as the U.S. being the only offensive country in the entire world.
    Although I disagree with a lot of what you say, I'll have to agree with you on this..

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    • #32
      Originally posted by Darorinag
      Inna - with all due respect, your political views are a bit too naive.. The entire "terrorist threat" issue is nothing but manipulation and fear mongering.. this makes things easier for them, as they can pass laws that further limit freedom of speech and violate the privacy of individuals [such as the Patriot Act] without much objection (of course, philosophically speaking, since privacy is a government-given privilege rather than a natural right, it wouldn't be wrong to take it away, per se - but when violation of privacy results in random arrests and violation of the right to freedom, that's when there is a problem)..
      Actually, Darorinag, it is your views that are naive. The terrorist threat is real. The rest of the world believes that it is an issue! Do you live under ground? Even if you disdain all American media sources, just go ahead and read everything outside and you will find that they deal with a great deal of terrorist activities. And if anyone is fear mongering, it would be Al Queda and all your buddies getting overthrown in Iraq.

      Unfortunetly terror was brought to the U.S. and our country needs to act to defend us against it. I agree with you on your issue of privacy, and have no qualms there, but we seriously need to get real. Someone must be doing something right, because I havent seen a terrorist attack since 9/11.

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      • #33
        That's a fallacy.. false dichotomy.. just because one is bad doesn't mean we should vote for the other one because he might be better.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by Darorinag
          It matters only because America is a big ally of Turkey.
          Turkey is a soverign nation which does not threaten us. Therefore, America will not declare war and risk our troops and the countries budget for something that will not protect or advantage Americans in any way. It would do NOTHING!!! Turkey is the only nation at this point which can give up what they took.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by surferarmo
            Actually, Darorinag, it is your views that are naive. The terrorist threat is real. The rest of the world believes that it is an issue! Do you live under ground? Even if you disdain all American media sources, just go ahead and read everything outside and you will find that they deal with a great deal of terrorist activities. And if anyone is fear mongering, it would be Al Queda and all your buddies getting overthrown in Iraq.

            Unfortunetly terror was brought to the U.S. and our country needs to act to defend us against it. I agree with you on your issue of privacy, and have no qualms there, but we seriously need to get real. Someone must be doing something right, because I havent seen a terrorist attack since 9/11.
            The terrrorist thread might be real, but not to the extent it has been used and abused by the Bush administration. Ever heard of fear-mongering? The Liberals used the same tactics here during the elections, claiming that if conservatives were elected, they'd bring down civilised society because they'd be taking away the rights of homosexuals to get married.. What happened then? The Liberals got elected, even though the polls showed that the Conservatives had an equal percentage of votes as the Liberals..

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            • #36
              Originally posted by Darorinag
              That's a fallacy.. false dichotomy.. just because one is bad doesn't mean we should vote for the other one because he might be better.
              It is called practicality. If you think it is a fallacy, you have no idea what a fallacy is. Like I said, you can not vote. But if you do vote, in terms of Armenian issues, you are either chosing the one you know will not help or the one who may help. Voting for the one who you know will not help because you think the other one may not help is as ridiculous as you tried to make my view seem.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by surferarmo
                Turkey is a soverign nation which does not threaten us. Therefore, America will not declare war and risk our troops and the countries budget for something that will not protect or advantage Americans in any way. It would do NOTHING!!! Turkey is the only nation at this point which can give up what they took.
                Again, that's a fallacy. I never said America should declare war on Turkey! You're losing it in the depths of false dichotomy - so it's either supporting Turkey, or attacking it?!? Not supporting Turkey does NOT mean attacking it...........

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by dusken
                  It is called practicality. If you think it is a fallacy, you have no idea what a fallacy is. Like I said, you can not vote. But if you do vote, in terms of Armenian issues, you are either chosing the one you know will not help or the one who may help. Voting for the one who you know will not help because you think the other one may not help is as ridiculous as you tried to make my view seem.
                  That is the point of not voting - that you are not willing to cast your voice in support of someone who might be two-faced. I for one would *not* vote for someone knowing their history of being two-faced. Therefore, I wouldn't vote for either the Republicans or the Democrats, if I had the right to vote, that is..

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by surferarmo
                    So why are you mad at America, maybe you should direct your anger/political discontent towards those who committed the genocide and those who continue to live in a world of denial. It sickens me to see that some people are trying to turn this country into an ATM machine or political device for the country of their ancestory. Armenians especially blame other people of other ethnic groups for being selfish and having control of this country. Whether you believe that is true or not, is not the issue, but why would you want Armenian Americans to become an interest group?
                    Good point! You could also spin it to the way of - Wouldn't you want to advocate and push for the support Armenian-Americans being successful in America?

                    You'll hear answers like:
                    -Armenians are passionate about the genocide issue, about the direct effect it has on them to have an official understandment of it, and not giving into the Turkish Lobby.

                    -They want Turkey to recognize the genocide, yet they fail and deny to. In part of the denial they spent money on lobbists in Washington D.C. to lobby and pour in campaign contributions so there will be no laws, like the amendment in congress that was negativly torn apart by Speaker Hastert.

                    -Part of some Armenians is thr fury of money being spent on the lobbying and taking away from an issue used as political bait, and stuffing it away till next election cycle, meanwhile taking money and adivce from Turkish lobbists. Lets not forget Turkey has one of the WORST human and civil rights records, to this day.

                    There are rich Armenians, poor Armenians. Rich Armenians hiding money to look poor, poor Armenians pretending to be rich...you never know which economic political policy to throw at them to gain their attn. There will be bush armos, Kerry Armos...all in all, deep down they still want the genocidal issue solved, not only for Armenians but for every other ethnicity.

                    There's more but im still sore from a wedding that Harout made me dance all night to...

                    Believe in what you want to, say what you want to, and dream what you want to, thats just part of the freedoms America has to offer. God Bless.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by Darorinag
                      That is the point of not voting - that you are not willing to cast your voice in support of someone who might be two-faced. I for one would *not* vote for someone knowing their history of being two-faced. Therefore, I wouldn't vote for either the Republicans or the Democrats, if I had the right to vote, that is..
                      You are being a moron. The point is: Kerry or Bush. I do not give a rats ass if you think neither are worth voting for but do not say stupid things like, "Any Armenian who justifies his voting for Kerry as being the result of Bush's bad record, is an idiot." Unlike you, nationality aside, these people are inclined to vote and that is fine. Let them vote, because I will not be.

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