armenians fighting armenians

[Crimson Glow]

Honestly, I had no idea there was so much in-fighting with Armenians until I started entering the AC chat room. I had never heard of the term "Rabiz", I had never heard Armenians separate the different "types" (barskahye, stanci, etc), and I never knew there was such annimosity towards one another. As I've mentioned several times, where I live, NO one has heard of us. So on the extremely rare occassions I come across an Armenian (at work or such), it's pretty exciting. We'll talk a while about history, family, etc. And then I'll throw in the ever shocking statement that I can actually speak the language. It's a joyous occassion due to its scarcity. Perhaps the old saying of "too much of a good thing" holds true in the larger Armenian communities?

[Darorinag]

Let's try this again.

Thanks for cleaning the thread, Emil. Although I see that my Elie Wiesel quote got deleted too... hmm

[MadHandle]

Its allways been like that...What can I say Armenians are aggresive people. I don't know how it is at Glendale or the rest of the world, but Armenians in Armenia are in dispute constantly with each other. Even with kids its like that, I mean I couldn't walk around near blocks without getting into a fight...some kid just wanted with me just cuase we were the same age, no other reason then that. All that just starts from when people were kids. I considered Armenians fighting Armenians a normal thing till about now. So I can see were all this Armenian hate comes from. Its a normal everyday thing...

What I hate though...is verbal fighting, ugh......it can get annyoing.

[HyeJinx1984]

It is normal for people of the same ethnic group to disagree. There are a lot of disagreements among the French, Italians, etc. But the question, getting back to the very first post of the thread, is whether we Armenians are mature enough to handle disagreements. What really bothers me, is that the factionalism and disagreements among Armenians get to a point where it becomes really counter-productive. I live in Canada, where the rivalry between the Catholicosates of Cilicia and Etchmiadzin is worse than the rivalry between Pepsi and Coke. At the Dashnak-run and other parti-run schools, kids of 6, 7, 8 years-old are indoctrinated with parti propaganda, about how their parti saved Armenia from annihilation. Kids at that age should learn about reading and writing. There must be more national solidarity among Armenians. When an Armenian is a member of the Catholicosate of Cilicia or Etchmiadzin, before being a God-loving soul, something is wrong. When an Armenian sees another Armenian as a rival rather than a compatriot, something is wrong. When an Armenian likes to dwell on the misfortunes afflicting another Armenian instead of sympathizing with him, something is wrong. Why is it that whenever we come across another Armenian at a shopping mall, for example, our first reaction is "Do not speak loud they are Armenian". Where is the self-respect? Are we ashamed of ourselves to a point where we have an unconscious hatred of ourselves? I think that all of this is, again, the result of what we are thought. Growing up as a child, nobody told me about how Armenians where a nation of 3,000 years, about how we were great fighters to the point where the Byzantines transplanted whole Armenian villages from Armenia into the Byzantine Empire, so that they could have a pool of Armenian soldiers. Armenians gave 20 Emperors to the Byzantine Empire. Think about it. They were Emperors that were worshiped and feared, not some loud-mouth losers turning shish-kebabs on the grill. I was never thought that Armenians, as the cultural and linguistic interface between the Greeks and the Persians, are the bridge between East and West. Our cultural wealth derives from our dual Western and Eastern legacies, which makes us a model-nation, since we embody harmony between different sides, instead of conflict. Instead, I was thought mostly about the Genocide, about how to chant "echec millet Turk millet" when I went to an April 24th rally when I was 7 or 8, and about how the "other" Armenian school in the city was really bad. Anyway, I still think that there is hope. Since our current Armenian "leaders", both in the Diaspora and Armenia are so unworthy, Armenians are seldom listening to them, which is already a good start.

*deep, scary voice* There will come the one that unites them all, that shakes the foundations of the Earth to it's very core and brings retribution to the globe. The one will come... and that time is soon. Fear the Dragon.

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*blinks* What the hell was that?

[OGBUGZY]

thanx

Since when does Elie Wiesel speak for all the Jews?
Nicely said.

thank you, but u have to see some of the stuff i wrote while in prison, especially while i sat in the hole for a year and a half. it didnt break me, it made me realize the beauty of life and everything and everyone in it.

[OGBUGZY]

these streets remind me of quick sand, when your on it, you keep going down, and theres noone to hold on to, and theres noone to pull you out, you keep on fallin, noone to hear you callin, so you end up self destructing.......this old armenian lady once told me, your sad eyes tells the tragedy that u have seen and lived. i wouldnt wish the things i have seen and the tragedies i have gone through on my worst enemy

[steelers10]

I dont see any hatred in the armenian community. where do you people live huh?

It's those Californians.

[steelers10]

Also, this thread isn't very reminiscient of Soroyan's writings.

[Darorinag]

It's those Californians.

You got THAT right!

[HyeJinx1984]

It's those Californians.

Not really. I mean, we may fight over stupid xxxx but I wouldn't say there's any downright HATRED for any Armenians by other Armenians... I think you only find that in Hayastan where your esteemed government likes to suck their brothers and sisters dry of any hope of prosperity.