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Ummm.....I don't think that's what people mean when they ask "where was god", or when they blame him. They mean "why didn't he step in and prevent this/protect the people that believe in him, and live by his ways?" I can't swear by this, but I don't think anyone has ever killed someone, and then given the excuse "weeeeeeell....god gave me free will, what could I do?"
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Once again you didn’t understand what I meant about free will. I said it’s not about killing then saying oo I had free will. I’m not talking about that.
First, it cannot be denied Biblically that God predetermines all things. Second, it cannot be denied that God holds us responsible for our choices, which means they must be free. To deny either of these causes much bigger problem. To state that we do not have free will means that we cannot be held responsible for our actions and certainly goes against all the evidence of experience.
God chooses THROUGH our free will - not against it nor because of it.
God has not "made" man to blame him? Its does not mean make mistake then use free will to get out of it. God made us free creatures, so our choices are not "built in mechanistic features" like a car has.
So, that’s my opinion on it again.
And I know what you mean about the first statement, I’m not talking about that. And I know what those people mean cause I say the same thing.
And No people don’t murder and say OOOO well free will. It doesn’t work that way and you know it. You must first understand what free will means. And I explained as much as I could above!You can't hold a man down without staying down with him.Comment
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here is my two cents on the topic, i have more free will than all of you.How do you hurt a masochist?
-By leaving him alone.Forever.Comment
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Originally posted by XxgoeyxX
Chill!!! I didn't blame GOD! and Jesus is my LORD.
I am just too drained to go into this!!! You are missing a great point concerning to the free will.I'm a monstrous mass of vile, foul & corrupted matter.Comment
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FEAR GOD??? GOD is for LOVE not for FEAR,my dear!!Originally posted by XxgoeyxXI'm a monstrous mass of vile, foul & corrupted matter.Comment
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Originally posted by sleuth
Fear God and Love him enough to not do those things. And I did get the point. I was just explaining what I thought about it. I wasnt even referring to you dear. I wanted crimson to understand what I was saying in my other posts not that one.
and no I didnt miss anything concering free will. thats how i see it. you might have a different definition.
when I said stop blaming God I meant that is what people do in general not just in this case nor did I say you should stop blaming Him.Last edited by XxgoeyxX; 08-25-2004, 08:00 AM.You can't hold a man down without staying down with him.Comment
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That's exactly the point. Theoretically, that's not his job. If he didn't want Adam or Eve to eat the apple, why did he put it there?Originally posted by Crimson GlowComment
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first of all I go by this general rule, "your rights end when my rights begin" meaning I have the right to live, thus you dont have the right to kill me.Originally posted by Crimson Glow
second, what kind of world would this be if God stepped in everytime somebody was doing the wrong thing? I believe that God created a destiny for every person on this planet...but it is our own choice and free will to follow that destiny or take a different direction. Unfortunatly there are a lot of people on this planet that choose to create their own path and that is why such things as starvation, wars, death, etc occur.
are you sure?Originally posted by Stark Evade
...cause you sound like him
Last edited by Inna; 08-25-2004, 10:55 AM.Comment
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No, I'm not sure... let me check... nope, no dusken here. Sorry. This is getting old.Comment
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Ahh, this reminds me of JOB. God is such a trouble-maker.
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