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  • #21
    Originally posted by NarEkoO
    that's just fukked up...
    Indeed. Isn't it?

    Okay now for my respects. RIP Chris Reeve, and don't forget your Superman cape on earth.
    Achkerov kute.

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    • #22
      Originally posted by Anonymouse
      Indeed. Isn't it?

      Okay now for my respects. RIP Chris Reeve, and don't forget your Superman cape on earth.
      Too late, someone just sold it on E-Bay.
      "All I know is I'm not a Marxist." -Karl Marx

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      • #23
        Originally posted by patlajan
        All human beings start their lives from a single cell, called the zygote, which is formed after fertilization. The zygote divides and forms two cells; each of those cells divides again, and so on. Pretty soon, about five days after conception, there is hollow ball of about 150 cells called the blastocyst. The blastocyst is smaller than a grain of sand and contains two types of cells, the trophoblast and the inner cell mass. Embryonic stem cells are the cells that make up the inner cell mass. As embryonic stem cells can form all cell types in an adult, they are referred to as pluripotent stem cells.

        Here's a link: http://www.isscr.org/science/faq.htm

        If they can get stem cells from non embryonic sources, that's fine with me.
        Yes, it's so much more beneficial to society to flush these cells that are unused after in-vitro down the sink basin, rather than use them to someday help those who are suffering. As long as there are regulations on the use and 'creation' of stem cells, such as only those that aren't put to use in fertilization should be used, then why should there be a problem?? Why discard of something that can give people such precious ease from pain and suffering and a more fruitful life? And don't giver me b.s. about how there will be a black market for embryos and mothers will abort their children in order to make money off selling the stem cells or somesuch inane thing like that because you well know that we live in such a society that even if the use of stem cells was completely illegal someone somewhere would find a way to black market it, just as happens with other 'illegal' things.
        The test of a first-rate intelligence is the ability to hold two opposing ideas in mind at the same time and still retain the ability to function. -- F. Scott Fitzgerald

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        • #24
          Originally posted by ckBejug
          Yes, it's so much more beneficial to society to flush these cells that are unused after in-vitro down the sink basin, rather than use them to someday help those who are suffering. As long as there are regulations on the use and 'creation' of stem cells, such as only those that aren't put to use in fertilization should be used, then why should there be a problem?? Why discard of something that can give people such precious ease from pain and suffering and a more fruitful life? And don't giver me b.s. about how there will be a black market for embryos and mothers will abort their children in order to make money off selling the stem cells or somesuch inane thing like that because you well know that we live in such a society that even if the use of stem cells was completely illegal someone somewhere would find a way to black market it, just as happens with other 'illegal' things.
          Aggreed. I swear, not to sound too dramatic, but anytime the subject comes up, I'll always hear Michael J Fox's comment during his speech where he said "Please, don't take my hope away." I will ALWAYS support embryonic stem cell research.
          "All I know is I'm not a Marxist." -Karl Marx

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          • #25
            Originally posted by ckBejug
            Yes, it's so much more beneficial to society to flush these cells that are unused after in-vitro down the sink basin, rather than use them to someday help those who are suffering. As long as there are regulations on the use and 'creation' of stem cells, such as only those that aren't put to use in fertilization should be used, then why should there be a problem?? Why discard of something that can give people such precious ease from pain and suffering and a more fruitful life? And don't giver me b.s. about how there will be a black market for embryos and mothers will abort their children in order to make money off selling the stem cells or somesuch inane thing like that because you well know that we live in such a society that even if the use of stem cells was completely illegal someone somewhere would find a way to black market it, just as happens with other 'illegal' things.
            It is my understanding that the embrios already present are legal for use. But this is not what the argument is about at all. It is about respecting life, and the argument of when life begins. There should be very very very stringent controls on how these cells are used. And definetly never be created for the purpose of testing. That is plain evil to me.

            If payment for embrios is made illegal, that should take care of the black market porblem. Why blackmarket something that is free. Those abortions shouldn't be wasted on the other hand.

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            • #26
              this issue really irritates me cuz it wouldn't even be an issue if it wasn't for the right wing conservatives yet again throwing their 'moral values' disguised under religion at the face of society and trying to become the "moral police" of the country! i am sick of these extremists who don't understand sh!t about science and close their eyes and open their mouths with their very narrow myopic view of the world! some of these same idiots would probably deny blood transfusion to their children and let them die first before becoming "tainted." ...bunch of losers, make me sick!

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              • #27
                As Bill Maher said, "as if God would care about what we do with a little bit of microscopic goo"
                "All I know is I'm not a Marxist." -Karl Marx

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                • #28
                  i really cant have an opinion because i dont know the detailed facts yet.
                  first i have to clear the hot air to reason. all i see on TV is left calling right zealots, and right calling the left amoral bastards.
                  how the hell am i supposed to understand the issue.

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                  • #29
                    Originally posted by garegin
                    i really cant have an opinion because i dont know the detailed facts yet.
                    first i have to clear the hot air to reason. all i see on TV is left calling right zealots, and right calling the left amoral bastards.
                    how the hell am i supposed to understand the issue.
                    Exactly. Political reps are not on tv because they want you to understand. Television like any other media is mostly a tool to get their message into your head. Whatever their message happens to be.

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                    • #30
                      I was talking to my friend today who told me something somewhat creepy. He was out in westwood shooting something when he came across a newstand that just happened to be selling old issues of the "Death of Superman" and "World without a Superman" mini series from DC comics. Being a huge DC comics fan, he bought them up and went home to read them. While reading her remembered how powerful those stories were, even two decades after they were written. however he found it odd that the newstand had these two mini series but not the ending of the trilogy which was "The Return of Superman." Then he turned on the T.V. and the first thing he saw was "Christopher Reeves Dead." It was certainly an eerie experience for him.
                      "All I know is I'm not a Marxist." -Karl Marx

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