Pentagon Strike

[gevo]

And how do we explain the witnesses who claim to have seen a missle and heard a missle, and never a plane? Let's not forget how Flight 77 disappeared from radar.

I dont think i can explain how/what the "witnesses" heard, but a little correction about how it "disappeared" from radar.. It infact did not disappear, what happened was that once the transponder was shut down from within the plane, the plane stopes transmitting its information. and insted of air-control seeing it as a dot with a number a name and a NAM address.. it sees it as another one of those MILLION dots.. i dont know if anyone has been infront the screens of an air traffic control center.. i have at CHINA LAKE AIRFORCE BASE, and they can see cars from coast to coast.. every vehicle under the sattelites is present as a dot on their screen... the only thing that differentiate between dots, large birds and airplanes is the transponder... the dots which have no transponder not moving at a certain velocity are dimmed from the screen, and very lightly visible.

[Anonymouse]

Ok, perhaps a misunderstanding.. but i was at the impression the blackbox was recovered and the path saved by the blackbox exactly matched that of flight control and the angle and elevation it last recored would have made it little over 2 feet above ground level and some angle yawned to the left.... as far as the other conspiracies.. people can come up with anything they want.. lol...

PS: How am i gonna get back the 20 minutes i spent on this!!!! I hate school

To my knowledge, no blackbox was ever recovered from the world trade center and if it was, the jury is silent, as nothing was revealed. Conspiracies are not something people just "come up with", it is a fact of life, history and politics. I'll let Richard M. Dolan speak:

The very label [conspiracy] serves as an automatic dismissal, as though no one ever acts in secret. Let us bring some perspective and common sense to this issue.

The United States comprises large organizations - corporations, bureaucracies, "interest groups," and the like - which are conspiratorial by nature. That is, they are hierarchical, their important decisions are made in secret by a few key decision-makers, and they are not above lying about their activities. Such is the nature of organizational behavior. "Conspiracy," in this key sense, is a way of life around the globe.

Within the world's military and intelligence apparatuses, this tendency is magnified to the greatest extreme. During the 1940s, [...] the military and its scientists developed the world's most awesome weapons in complete secrecy... [...]

Anyone who has lived in a repressive society knows that official manipulation of the truth occurs daily. But societies have their many and their few. In all times and all places, it is the few who rule, and the few who exert dominant influence over what we may call official culture. - All elites take care to manipulate public information to maintain existing structures of power. It's an old game.

America is nominally a republic and free society, but in reality an empire and oligarchy, vaguely aware of its own oppression, within and without. I have used the term "national security state" to describe its structures of power. It is a convenient way to express the military and intelligence communities, as well as the worlds that feed upon them, such as defense contractors and other underground, nebulous entities. Its fundamental traits are secrecy, wealth, independence, power, and duplicity.

Nearly everything of significance undertaken by America's military and intelligence community in the past half-century has occured in secrecy. The undertaking to build an atomic weapon, better known as the Manhattan Project, remains the great model for all subsequent activities. For more than two years, not a single member of Congress even knew about it although its final cost exceeded two billion dollars...

Before quoting and defending the mainstream version perhaps it is important to examine the opposite side as well from the basics. For example, how do we explain the unscathed lawn in front of the Pentagon?

http://www.cosmicpenguin.com/911/Eastman/m18h05.html

http://www.cooperativeresearch.net/timeline/main/essayaninterestingday.html

http://home.earthlink.net/~flight77/flight77.html

http://www.asile.org/citoyens/numero13/pentagone/erreurs_en.htm

[gevo]

To my knowledge, no blackbox was ever recovered from the world trade center and if it was, the jury is silent, as nothing was revealed. Conspiracies are not something people just "come up with", it is a fact of life, history and politics. I'll let Richard M. Dolan speak:



Before quoting and defending the mainstream version perhaps it is important to examine the opposite side as well from the basics. For example, how do we explain the unscathed lawn in front of the Pentagon?

http://www.cosmicpenguin.com/911/Eastman/m18h05.html

http://www.cooperativeresearch.net/timeline/main/essayaninterestingday.html

http://home.earthlink.net/~flight77/flight77.html

http://www.asile.org/citoyens/numero...erreurs_en.htm

I did not deny the possiblity of the conpiracies, nor did i side with anyone... I would however, much rather find an explanation that the plane sotry is true. Though i am not blind to the facts apparantly, perhaps, against it. I cannot explain the lawn... the security camara that is infront of the pentagon which captued the balst takes a caprtue ever 1.3 seconds.. and that was enough time for the "plane" to have crashed and incinerated before the nect flash...

[MadHandle]

anon...are you talking about the second plane at WTC which looked like it had modefied wings with like a missile thing strapped to it? and also, the plane model was slights diffrent then the plane that took off from Logan ariport in Boston...which means that this modefied plane was actually not the plane that took off from Boston.
There are pics with diffrent angles and all of them reveal that there was some sort of a missile attacked to the plane.





Oh and did you read about how WTC was "demolished" down with explosives that were already planted in the building? I think it was said that the owner wanted insurace or something like that.

[Thai-Samurai]

I downloaded this just so I could have that Hitler speech on my computer. Some of the wisest things the man has said and you can't find it anywhere on the internet, either as a sound file or text, except in this video.

As for the conspiracy theories, I don't fully believe the government version, nor the disinformation version. But I do think we are after the wrong "enemy" nonetheless, and that is the government's doing.

So you think the gov't did it?

[NarEkoO]

so you're saying hitler = bush?...




OH MY GOD BUSH = HITLER!@!! WE'RE ALL GONNA DIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!

[loseyourname]

I think it was said that the owner wanted insurace or something like that.

Insured capital loss was about $17 billion, which was equal to the uninsured capital loss. So that's a break-even proposition. But when you consider the loss of the lease money taken in every year, there is nothing to be gained by intentionally destroying the building on the part of its owners (the NY/NJ Port Authority). This is from their annual report from 2001 (you can download it from their website):

The terrorist attacks shocked an already weakened U.S.
economy into recession by sapping consumer confidence,
causing demand for air travel to deteriorate. At the three
major airports, passenger traffic, which was projected
to achieve new highs, dropped by a total 11.5 percent
for the year, the largest decline in our regionfs history.
Aircraft movements declined by 7.1 percent and cargo
volume fell 23 percent from the prior year. Airport
parking revenues were also down, by about 30 percent.
In the wake of the terrorist attacks, more stringent
security measures at the regionfs airports posed
challenges as airlines followed new federal mandates
for passenger screening and baggage handling.

At the bistate regionfs interstate tunnels and bridges,
annual traffic volumes declined for the first time since
1994. Eastbound traffic for the year 2001 totaled
121.9 million vehicles ? 3.5 percent below 2000
levels. Traffic at the Holland and Lincoln tunnels fell
10.6 percent, due primarily to the closure of the
Holland Tunnel from September 11 through October 14,
as well as by the single-occupancy vehicle restrictions at
the two tunnels following the attacks.

It's important to remember that the Port Authority also owns the two major airports and all of the trans-Hudson bridges and tunnels in the city of New York. They lost a huge amount of money due to this tragedy. No one at the Port Authority stood to gain in any way financially from the collapse of the WTC. To suggest otherwise is both disingenuous and disrepectful.

[NarEkoO]

So... you post stupid xxxx whether you are drunk or not huh?

i was acutally being sarcastic!...it's the mouse in me!

[Thai-Samurai]

Now it makes sense

[IAmMadAtAC]

What I still don't get is, if for example Flight 77 didn't hit the Pentagon and the second flight that hit the Twin Towers was really a missle... what happened to those planes and people on them? Also apparantly the bodies of all the Pentagon plane victims were recovered and given back to the families. Now obviously this could have been faked by the government and different body parts could have been returned to the families, but that doesn't explain what happened to these people. One of them for example was the wife of the US Solicitor General, someone very high up in the government and a possible future nominee to the Supreme Court. These were not no name people who would just be forgotten about and ignored. Where did they go? Is the government holding them hostage somewhere deep underground or something, to live out the rest of their lives? Were the kidnapped and all murdered? This all sounds extremely nefarious and extremely illegal. The before-mentioned Solicitor General certainly has a lot of connections in the government and would use those to try and find if the government was holding his wife or something... none of it makes sene. I just can't fathom any of it. I have heard many conspiracies about what really hit the Pentagon and WTC, but they never address what happened to the people on the planes! Someone please explain any possible explanations because I sure have no idea and therefor can't believe the alternate stories.