SORRY everybody!

[gevo]

Oh my goodness, the fact that profits will definitely arise from the rebuilding JUST dawned on you ?? Wow, there is a brain rattling around in all that space in your head!! Careful, you might not have any hair left if you keep this up.

Like I said, go fight in the war. Enlist. it's your duty. Send my friends back because I'd rather they not die for something and someone you believe in and they don't.

Obviously you didnt understand the oint of my statement...

OR, are you trying to say that Bush destroyed a nation to have his "friends" rebuild it and sleep on bigger beds?

What i meant to say (in fewer words mind you) is that you are saying that Bush in his right mind was able to manipulate the legislative Branch and find it perfectly un-harming to himself as a 'moral person" (u dont have to beleive this for the point to be made) to go to war with ONLY the intentions of making throuhg his contractor friends.. making money.. this makes no sense, and please stop saying it... Unless you can proov that Bush is a lunatic killer.. you are wrong.. and dont bring up the fact that goind to war IS killing.. there is a whole different realm of arguments there...

Your idea of me enlisting is also just nothingness... In this country you have the choice for that.. I dont have to.. however.. if I believe I am needed.. i will not hesitate.. neither for this country..nor for my 'motherland'.. whatever is left of it.. lol..
Oh and thank you for your insults.. they are so warming

[CatWoman]

I can't predict the future either gevo jan... however, what I said is more logical than the other way around. Just like you said, none of his oil companies are profiting any from Iraq YET, but they will be once the new government of Iraq is settled and it's most definitely Bush friendly... So, personal gain is his motivation for starting the war and dragging the economy and country down with it. Just my point of view thoug!

[ckBejug]

Obviously you didnt understand the oint of my statement...

What i meant to say (in fewer words mind you) is that you are saying that Bush in his right mind was able to manipulate the legislative Branch and find it perfectly un-harming to himself as a 'moral person" (u dont have to beleive this for the point to be made) to go to war with ONLY the intentions of making throuhg his contractor friends.. making money.. this makes no sense, and please stop saying it... Unless you can proov that Bush is a lunatic killer.. you are wrong.. and dont bring up the fact that goind to war IS killing.. there is a whole different realm of arguments there...

Your idea of me enlisting is also just nothingness... In this country you have the choice for that.. I dont have to.. however.. if I believe I am needed.. i will not hesitate.. neither for this country..nor for my 'motherland'.. whatever is left of it.. lol..
Oh and thank you for your insults.. they are so warming

No, the point is that the profits from rebuilding ARE going to his friends and you know he knew about that well before the country was demolished. Are you seriously playing dumb. Do you really think he had completely moral ideologies behind his move into Iraq?


How cute, you believe the moral alcoholic president who cheated his was through school? He's so moral! Damn.

[gevo]

I can't predict the future either gevo jan... however, what I said is more logical than the other way around. Just like you said, none of his oil companies are profiting any from Iraq YET, but they will be once the new government of Iraq is settled and it's most definitely Bush friendly... So, personal gain is his motivation for starting the war and dragging the economy and country down with it. Just my point of view thoug!

The war did not drag the economy down.. by his 4th month in office in 2001 the economy started a downfall. Then the later attacks on the world trade center devistated the economy, largely in part due to the airline industry crashing... and many other problems.. I do however agree there could have been more done to help the economy.. and perhaps there is that i have not read or heard of.. as i do not watch tv, nor read much of the newspapers...

But, just one question.. is a Bush friendly Iraq such a bad thing? so long as it helps our economy, and our pocket books, and even to the extent to a whole nation NOT being held at gunpoint all the time for their lives..? I do not see whats bad about that.. yes.. ofcourse the tropps who are dying overseas is not good.. noone can justify the death toll in a war.. let it be one, or 1000 or more.. but neither can you in any war

[gevo]

No, the point is that the profits from rebuilding ARE going to his friends and you know he knew about that well before the country was demolished. Are you seriously playing dumb. Do you really think he had completely moral ideologies behind his move into Iraq?


How cute, you believe the moral alcoholic president who cheated his was through school? He's so moral! Damn.

At this point, i wouldnt mind a cheat or two to get me through my finals a little easier
I rather at first believe people are good, and be proven wrong (yet not being stupid while at it) than be paranoid and think everyone hates me and everyone is bad, and there is no such thing as a good person..

Ofcourse i stil believe we by nauter are not good.. but thats a different arguemtn again. haha..
To answer your question.. YES i do believe he had moral concerns going into Iraq.. for the safety of our own country, and for the humanitarian needs of Iraq's people... but there was more to it.. i can not deny, nor have i denied it..

[ckBejug]

At this point, i wouldnt mind a cheat or two to get me through my finals a little easier
I rather at first believe people are good, and be proven wrong (yet not being stupid while at it) than be paranoid and think everyone hates me and everyone is bad, and there is no such thing as a good person..

Ofcourse i stil believe we by nauter are not good.. but thats a different arguemtn again. haha..
To answer your question.. YES i do believe he had moral concerns going into Iraq.. for the safety of our own country, and for the humanitarian needs of Iraq's people... but there was more to it.. i can not deny, nor have i denied it..

Good thing we are all free to have our own opinions in this country. I can't imagine being forced to believe yours! Good on you if you stick to your guns. And I'll stick to mine.

[gevo]

Good thing we are all free to have our own opinions in this country. I can't imaine being forced to believe yours! Good on you if you stick to your guns. And I'll stick to mine.

How did you know about my guns?

[loseyourname]

I can't predict the future either gevo jan... however, what I said is more logical than the other way around. Just like you said, none of his oil companies are profiting any from Iraq YET, but they will be once the new government of Iraq is settled and it's most definitely Bush friendly... So, personal gain is his motivation for starting the war and dragging the economy and country down with it. Just my point of view thoug!

Are you kidding me? That's your idea of logic? If your brother stands to benefit from you vacating a parking space when you leave for work in the morning, does that make his benefit your motivation for getting a job?

[!EEK]

But, just one question.. is a Bush friendly Iraq such a bad thing? so long as it helps our economy, and our pocket books, and even to the extent to a whole nation NOT being held at gunpoint all the time for their lives..? I do not see whats bad about that.. yes.. ofcourse the tropps who are dying overseas is not good.. noone can justify the death toll in a war.. let it be one, or 1000 or more.. but neither can you in any war

Firstly, war is never good for economy and even if it's planned for the long terme, the losses will always be more important. Plus, the war created a new kind of economy in Iraq: Kidnappings. Those kidnappings are more a question of money then political affairs and the rare people who wants to work there are either killed or shocked to the point of leaving Iraq for good

Secondly, the War in Iraq made the US more ennemies than killed ennemies. The war in Iraq (part 1 and 2 by the Bush Family) really contributed to the increase of islamist groups. Hatred towards the US is growing and it's sad to see that there aren't only islamist-hosting countries: countries like France, Spain, Russia or Italy are disgusted by the US. (Mind those are ungrateful bastards too)

Thirdly, the death toll is something the US is willing to hide from the public. You could guess that everything is going sh!t and they don't even have the necessary troops there. One day they have a city, the other they lose it, they take it back, they lose another one...

Finnally, I wanted to add that Saddam wasn't the biggest threat: He wasn't religiously motivated....(Of course there are countires like North Korea or very instable and islamist like Cambodia )but now that he isn't at the head of the country anymore, more powerful extremist leaders will take the power and it'll go THAT bad.

I think it's

GAME OVER
Restart?

[loseyourname]

Yes, smart enough to know that before you go trying to solve the problems of the rest of the world you have to solve those at home. And for the record, had Bush not had alterior motives for going into Iraq he covered up with the 'war on terror' b.s. and if he was really doing it to save the poor unfortunate of Iraq, he knew very well that there were even worse massacres going on in other parts of the world. For goodness sake, there is ethnic cleansing and genocide going on in parts of Africa...Sudan. Why aren't we there trying to be the American saviors there, huh? Complete B.S. that's what Bush stands for.

You know the answer to this damn well. None of these other nations had a history of invading their neighbors and using chemical and biological weapons that could easily be sold to terrorists. Intelligence did not indicate that these nations were planning to develop a nuclear program and had tried to do so in the past. If you idiots honestly think oil is the reason, then why aren't we going to the Sudan? What about Venezuela? These nations are very rich with oil. For that matter, if all we want is oil, why haven't we opened Alaska to drilling already?