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  • #31
    Well, anyone has his/her definition of luxury. For my part, I don't really call it luxury wearing what our ancestors used to wear hundred thousand years ago when they needed to catch an animal, skin it alive with bare hands and finally wear that....material ...

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    • #32
      Originally posted by ckBejug
      Don't project your petty little jelousies on me mouse. I did, after all, go to the University of Spolied Children. To be jealous there needs to be something someone else has that is unattainable to you that you desire. I choose not be in the market for animal fur. Woe is you.


      Tough luck. I suppose you can say that for people who are murdered because people want to take their money or steal something they own, right? Tough luck, they had something someone else wanted. The animals have fur, people want that fur, tough luck for the animals. *shrug* That kind of attitude is just so frustrating I don't even know how to respond to it!

      As for market demand, just because there is a demand for it doesn't mean I can't look down on the vile disgusting excuses for human beings who wear furs. I can, and I do. I also look down on people who act as though common human decency and protection of things that cannot speak for themselves are secondary to what the market demands. But people want fur! Let's give it to them then! It's true, money rules the world, it also rules people and I pity people who are so ruled by money, the 'market', the need to make more money, keep more money, and follow everyone else in the pursuit of money and in doing so miss out on what it actually means to be living.

      Enough lectures though, it's not as though I am trying to change anyone's mind. I already have my own convictions and 'popular' or not they're mine to stand by, not something I am following because everyone else is.

      As Tibor Machan once wrote,

      "Given this, how can we seriously entertain the idea that animals have rights like human beings do? If this were true, all the inter-species brutality in the animal world would have to be construed as out and out criminal. But, quite sensibly, it isn’t. Why so? The reason is that animals operate as their instincts dictate, and in many cases instincts dictate that animals kill their own kind. Fish often eat their young, as do lions when they are impelled to do so by their genetic disposition, presumably to rid their pride of bastard offspring.

      Why, on the other hand, do human beings get prosecuted if they engage in similar conduct? Why is it brutal, barbaric – and should be criminal – to kill children for fun, profit or even survival? The reason is that human beings are fundamentally different from their animal kin in the wild. They have the capacity to make choices, they possess free will and have the responsibility to act ethically and respect the rights of other human beings. Why? So these others can carry out their morality responsibilities on their own initiative. Human beings, in short, are free and morally responsible. And it is this fact that gives rise to their having basic rights that others ought to respect and they may protect with force and law. These rights carve out a kind of fence – or sphere of personal authority – around persons, something they all require in order to carry on in a dignified manner when in one another’s company."

      There are many ways human beings can be guilty of mistreating animals. Perhaps even the law should make some provisions to ensure that wanton torture and mistreatment of animals are minimized. But this is not because animals have rights, which they cannot have given their nature as instinctually driven beasts instead of moral agents. Talking, therefore, about animal rights is a confusion and misguides our thinking about our proper relationship with the rest of the animal world.
      Achkerov kute.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by Anonymouse
        As Tibor Machan once wrote,
        etc etc etc using someone elses words
        Tibor Machan, when was the last time an animal ripped off another animals skin and wore its hair as a pretty covering?

        Yeah, I thought so.
        Last edited by ckBejug; 04-13-2005, 02:05 PM.
        The test of a first-rate intelligence is the ability to hold two opposing ideas in mind at the same time and still retain the ability to function. -- F. Scott Fitzgerald

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        • #34
          Originally posted by ckBejug
          Tibor Machan, when was the last time an animal ripped off another animals skin and wore its hair as a pretty covering?

          Yeah, I thought so.
          You can get emotional all you want about that, the man has a point, and one which you cannot but ignore.
          Achkerov kute.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by Anonymouse
            You can get emotional all you want about that, the man has a point, and one which you cannot but ignore.
            It's funny that you have the tendency to belittle comments made by others, however strong or weak they may be, by claiming that they are being 'emotional.' Is that just to make yourself feel better for lack of a better response?

            Furthermore:

            The reason is that human beings are fundamentally different from their animal kin in the wild. They have the capacity to make choices, they possess free will and have the responsibility to act ethically and respect the rights of other human beings. Why? So these others can carry out their morality responsibilities on their own initiative.

            Who is to say that hunting for fur and the 'accepted' practices of ridding animals of their fur in order to make clothing is moral and ethical? Who decides these things? I think that it is immoral and unethical to hurt another living thing. We have to respect the rights of other human beings, we should also have to respect that we're not the only living things on this planet and we have certain freedoms, it's true, to use from nature, plants and animals, what is necessary for our survival. Beyond that, torturing animals for our own luxury, that is unacceptable in my point of view. Of course, as with all things, I think we should just agree to disagree. If hell does exist though, conscience intact I will wish upon those who hurt animals like that to have their own skin ripped off a few times a day, just so they can know what it feels like.

            By the way, do you have any pets mousey? A dog perhaps? I think I feel like a dog-fur coat and I'd like it to be from your dog.
            The test of a first-rate intelligence is the ability to hold two opposing ideas in mind at the same time and still retain the ability to function. -- F. Scott Fitzgerald

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            • #36
              Originally posted by ckBejug
              It's funny that you have the tendency to belittle comments made by others, however strong or weak they may be, by claiming that they are being 'emotional.' Is that just to make yourself feel better for lack of a better response?

              Furthermore:

              The reason is that human beings are fundamentally different from their animal kin in the wild. They have the capacity to make choices, they possess free will and have the responsibility to act ethically and respect the rights of other human beings. Why? So these others can carry out their morality responsibilities on their own initiative.

              Who is to say that hunting for fur and the 'accepted' practices of ridding animals of their fur in order to make clothing is moral and ethical? Who decides these things? I think that it is immoral and unethical to hurt another living thing. We have to respect the rights of other human beings, we should also have to respect that we're not the only living things on this planet and we have certain freedoms, it's true, to use from nature, plants and animals, what is necessary for our survival. Beyond that, torturing animals for our own luxury, that is unacceptable in my point of view. Of course, as with all things, I think we should just agree to disagree. If hell does exist though, conscience intact I will wish upon those who hurt animals like that to have their own skin ripped off a few times a day, just so they can know what it feels like.

              By the way, do you have any pets mousey? A dog perhaps? I think I feel like a dog-fur coat and I'd like it to be from your dog.

              I wasn't trying to belittle your comment, but only stating the obvious. You don't have to like that. But then again, you shouldn't perceive it as such. I never said I like wearing animal fur, nor do I personally condone such practices, but who am I to tell others what they can or can't do, and not to mention that there is a market for this worldwide. Oh those poor animals, so what? So we have to respect all the rights of all living things? Even insects? What if I accidentally step on one, or kill a fly? What if I run over a cat if it is running across the street as I drive, I guess I am violating animal rights. Oh please, this mentality sounds silly. As far as pets, I've had pets before, what is your point? I've had a hamster and a xxxxateil.
              Achkerov kute.

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              • #37
                dude f*ck her. she has no soul. i say a gang hunts down her and skins her, we will make a greay J-Lo coat, then burn it.

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                • #38
                  Animal Fur

                  Well I was wondering if you guys think whether wearing animal fur is right or not. I just saw this video of men taking the fur off animals and it just amazes me how people could live with themselves after doing something like that.

                  Anyways here's the link if anyone wants to see.

                  Page not found | peta2
                  http://www.peta2.com/takecharge/t-wetseal.asp

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