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  • #51
    Re: What are your beliefs?

    Originally posted by Siggie
    I think you're very wrong about why people don't believe. The atheists and agnostics I know (myself included) lead moral lives. That's a mistake a lot of people make. Do you think if there wasn't religion, people would run around lying cheating and stealing in absurd numbers? I don't think so... I think our moral ideals come from what's necessary to be able to live with other people in a society...
    Ironically enough, there are all sorts of incidents of people killing each other, blowing up abortion clinics, invading other countries, etc etc in the name of God. When was the last time someone committed a crime in the name of atheism?

    As far as evolution, I would direct anyone who "believes" evolution is a joke, to check out the IMAX "Deep Sea 3D" feature if you have a chance. I just recently saw it and WOW is it an eye opening experience. It is amazing how everything tends to adapt to each other when thrown in a mix to coexist in nature. I think believing in God created evolution makes faaaaaar more sense than believing God would be stupid enough to make EVERYTHING from scratch and get it to work the way it does.

    A stupid God would have wasted all his time making everything. A superior God would have come up with evolution and just let life take care of itself and adapt to changing conditions. To argue for "creationism" instead of "evolution" is to argue for a dumb ass God since adaptability is a superior trait compared to creatures that remain static in a changing world.
    Last edited by Sip; 06-23-2006, 04:30 PM.
    this post = teh win.

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    • #52
      Re: What are your beliefs?

      海外FXの掟
      http://www.armenianchurch.net/church/history/index.html


      Also I had made this poster with content mainly from the official holy etchmiadzin site, which now for some reason is down.

      http://infohost.nmt.edu/~karen/Left.jpg

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      • #53
        Re: What are your beliefs?

        Great post, Sip

        etc etc in the name of God. When was the last time someone committed a crime in the name of atheism?
        I agree. Atheism, or many other kinds of belief systems, too.

        As far as evolution, I would direct anyone who "believes" evolution is a joke, to check out the IMAX "Deep Sea 3D" feature if you have a chance. I just recently saw it and WOW is it an eye opening experience. It is amazing how everything tends to adapt to each other when thrown in a mix to coexist in nature. I think believing in God created evolution makes faaaaaar more sense than believing God would be stupid enough to make EVERYTHING from scratch and get it to work the way it does.
        That is a fantastic movie! No special effects movie even comes close to that... plus it is so much more.

        A stupid God would have wasted all his time making everything.
        His and/or her and/or its time. Perhaps still is making everything in ways--present tense.

        A superior God would have come up with evolution and just let life take care of itself and adapt to changing conditions. To argue for "creationism" instead of "evolution" is to argue for a dumb ass God since adaptability is a superior trait compared to creatures that remain static in a changing world.
        (care of itself, and other life...)
        Last edited by Anahita; 06-23-2006, 06:06 PM.

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        • #54
          Re: What are your beliefs?

          Originally posted by Ari
          Armenian Orthodox Apostolic i think :P

          Can someone explain to me what Apostolic is?
          I think it means that the Armenian Church traces its roots back to the time of the 12 Apostles and sees itself as being actually founded by several of them.
          Although Saint Gregory the Illuminator is recognised as establishing Christianity as the official religion in Armenia, Christianity initially entered Armenia from the south, from Syria, several centuries earlier. According to a later Armenian tradition, the Apostles Thaddeus and Bartholomew travelled from Syria to the Vaspurakan (Lake Van) region where they baptised several members of the Artzruni dynasty. The medieval historian Thomas Artzruni wrote that when Thaddeus visited King Abgar of Edessa "the great Artzruni prince, Khuran ...was the first to believe in Jesus Christ and was baptised by Thaddeus". Because of this the Artzruni could claim to be the first Christian feudal family in Armenia. Both these saints were later martyred and their remains returned to Armenia.
          Plenipotentiary meow!

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          • #55
            Re: What are your beliefs?

            Originally posted by Sip
            A stupid God would have wasted all his time making everything. A superior God would have come up with evolution and just let life take care of itself and adapt to changing conditions. To argue for "creationism" instead of "evolution" is to argue for a dumb ass God since adaptability is a superior trait compared to creatures that remain static in a changing world.
            You're a computer guy, right? What does the superior programmer do? Separately write the code for several billion different ways of solving varied problems that shift with time, or write a single genetic algorithm that can adapt to solve any possible problem in many different ways?

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            • #56
              Re: What are your beliefs?

              Originally posted by loseyourname
              You're a computer guy, right? What does the superior programmer do? Separately write the code for several billion different ways of solving varied problems that shift with time, or write a single genetic algorithm that can adapt to solve any possible problem in many different ways?
              Exactly! Furthermore, evolution is the ultimate in object oriented design
              Last edited by Sip; 06-26-2006, 06:08 PM.
              this post = teh win.

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              • #57
                Re: What are your beliefs?

                Originally posted by Sip
                evolution is the ultimate in object oriented design
                I understand what loseyourname said, but I don’t know enough about computer programming to understand what you mean (the connection with evolution) with the programming jargon, ‘object oriented.' Can you explain a little?

                Evolution--which has never been fully understood by science--ensures that life continues regardless of the conditions. I’ve often written things similar to what Sip posted earlier. Almost everyone who doesn’t ‘believe’ in evolution doesn’t understand evolution. I don’t mind the idea of ‘intelligent design’ (though not what is purported by the advocates of that, who I think are just trying to find a way to introduce creationism into public schools, under another name.) But, like I said, evolution is not understood by science--and there is much more going on than can be studied right now. “Survival of the fittest” isn’t a great phrase to describe the process of evolution.

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                • #58
                  Re: What are your beliefs?

                  "Survival of the fittest" isn't even a phrase used by evolutionary biologists. It was coined by Herbert Spencer, one of the early formulators of social Darwinism.

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                  • #59
                    Re: What are your beliefs?

                    Originally posted by loseyourname
                    "Survival of the fittest" isn't even a phrase used by evolutionary biologists. It was coined by Herbert Spencer, one of the early formulators of social Darwinism.
                    You made one of my points. Thanks.

                    Edit: Social Darwinism is an evil belief that usurps 'science' and transforms that into hate politics--survival of those with money (similar to how some 'Christians now oppose gay marriage, and once supported human slavery....)
                    Last edited by Anahita; 06-26-2006, 11:18 PM.

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                    • #60
                      Re: What are your beliefs?

                      Originally posted by bell-the-cat
                      I think it means that the Armenian Church traces its roots back to the time of the 12 Apostles and sees itself as being actually founded by several of them.
                      If I may expand on this a little... It means that the Fathers of the Church now (the priests...but, I don't know what you call priests, bishops, ect in the AAC) can trace their ordination back to Jesus via the Apostles, that is that Jesus appointed/ordained the 12 Apostles to be Priests and they in turn ordained other men who ordained other men, yada yada yada, who have ordained men today. BASICALLY it means that this Church is proven to be true BECAUSE it can trace its roots back to Jesus, Himself.

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