Political Systems and Nation States

[Anonymouse]

A MIND IS A TERRIBLE THING TO WASTE

As with all your posts...what is your point?

[Anonymouse]

War is totally justified. All these bombings mentioned above have had no aggressive response.

allright... I know this thread isn't really my specialty.. but ummm
what do the terrorist bombings have to do with Saddam Hussein and the Government of Iraq again? why did America attack a GOVERNMENT responding to an organization that has NOTHING to do with that government???
I thought the war had other motives...
you keep changing what you say surfer...
oh and bad news there buddy... the bombings aren't gonna stop... the war made things worse... antiamericans' hatred towards America after this war just got worse... so don't feel so "over safe"...
war has never solved complications.

You admitted yourself pathetic and I will confirm it for you. THey dont have to do anything with that specific event. I dont change my mind. I said there were political motives and gains for us. You are putting words in my mouth and taking small insignificant segmants from context and blowing them our of proportion. War didnt make things worse. Do you think they would have gotten better by letting more buildings get bombed? Even if you believe in our conspiracy shaken friend, you would believe that we knew of the events of 9/11 before they happened (bullxxxx). If you believe that, then you would believe that we could have prevented things, then hey, maybe you might believe that the President knows something of Sadam and his network, and we are simply preventing it. Somethign of that catastrophic signifigance has not been witnessed by you. Dont type, you make yourself look more and more pathetic every time you do.

You obviously have not seen ground zero. Your ignorant mind is filled with bliss. Immaturity will have to leave you some day.

I believe it is important to seperate the damage, in human lives as well as material damage, from the political aspect of these events.

There is a heap of evidence that shows the U.S. had foreknowledge of the event and attacks on Afghanistan and Iraq were planed months and even years prior to this event, this merely gave them justification. The motives have already been discussed and the evidence is there in my previous post.

Even back in the day there was government interest in inflicting damage on Americans, basically committing acts of terrorism against Americans, by our government, to give justification for an invasion of Cuba, more spending, more expansion of government power, that was what Operation Northwoods was about, and you can search for it online.

We must change our thinking and rid ourselves of the notion that government is good and its objective is to serve the will of the people.

[Anonymouse]

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2...15/94839.shtml

Read this and get a clue. Let your ignorance be washed away with this article. All your questions will be answered.

Funny how so many billions spent, thousands of lives lost, blood spilled, basically an unprovoked war against Iraq, all because of some ALLEGED connection that hasn't even been established?

If we are going to base military action on blanket one liners made by the former head of Halliburton who is now receiving a lump sum in establishing the contract to rebuild what the military destroyed, then justice and law are truly things of the past. Who cares for evidence and establishing CERTAINTY.

Is this what we use to destroy a country? A vague accusation?

The Czechs alleged that Mohamed Atta, the lead attacker, met in Prague with a senior Iraqi intelligence official five months before the attack, but we've never been able to develop any more of that yet either in terms of confirming it or discrediting it. We just don't know.

[jahannam]

War is totally justified. All these bombings mentioned above have had no aggressive response.

allright... I know this thread isn't really my specialty.. but ummm
what do the terrorist bombings have to do with Saddam Hussein and the Government of Iraq again? why did America attack a GOVERNMENT responding to an organization that has NOTHING to do with that government???
I thought the war had other motives...
you keep changing what you say surfer...
oh and bad news there buddy... the bombings aren't gonna stop... the war made things worse... antiamericans' hatred towards America after this war just got worse... so don't feel so "over safe"...
war has never solved complications.

You admitted yourself pathetic and I will confirm it for you. THey dont have to do anything with that specific event. I dont change my mind. I said there were political motives and gains for us. You are putting words in my mouth and taking small insignificant segmants from context and blowing them our of proportion. War didnt make things worse. Do you think they would have gotten better by letting more buildings get bombed? Even if you believe in our conspiracy shaken friend, you would believe that we knew of the events of 9/11 before they happened (bullxxxx). If you believe that, then you would believe that we could have prevented things, then hey, maybe you might believe that the President knows something of Sadam and his network, and we are simply preventing it. Somethign of that catastrophic signifigance has not been witnessed by you. Dont type, you make yourself look more and more pathetic every time you do.

You obviously have not seen ground zero. Your ignorant mind is filled with bliss. Immaturity will have to leave you some day.

oh no... how can I forget Ground Zero... where a couple of thousand people died ... not to forget that their first estimation of the dead(before they attacked Afghanistan) was close to 10 thousand...but then the numbers SLOOOWLY but drastically dropped... Bullxxxx to YOU!
poor firefighters died for their country...
well guess what...
it was about time for America to lose people for their country...
they'd never tasted the suffering... they'd never known the meaning of blood... they were only good at sending soldiers to their homeland (aka Israel) to kill more and more arab "terrorists", who fight for their rights and only THEIR rights....
now lets talk American patriotism...it's pretty sad to see how Americans STARTED feeling "proud of being American" ONLY AFTER 9.11 ..
WHEN else had americans posted their flags along every street in EVERY city????... when else had the American flag making business been THIS active??
and you make fun of Armenians' actions/reaction concerning Genocide matters???
let them feel it a little...Americans yes... this way they'll LEARN to RESPECT other countries' losses.
and no, I'm not only talking about Armenia.
I'm talking about a lot of victims including those 11 iraqi police officers that got killed by Americans 2 days ago in Iraq... (oh and it's fair to mention here that "American forces apologized").. yeah... what the hell is THAT???...
anyway...
go get a psychology class surferboy... political beliefs have nothing to do with someone's maturity level...
get over it... not everyone agrees in this wrold... ESPECIALLY when it comes to politics...but that makes neither party immature...
and do me a favor...just argue about what's being said... don't be feeling all strong and overpowering by calling us names and such.. will you?

[Anonymouse]

Isn't it also odd that right after the attacks all the politicians, including the Prezidente as well as the media pundits started yelling "Terrorist" and Osama bin laden.

I find that highly suspect..why would they be CERTAIN that it was Osama and Friends right after the catastrophic event, without evidence, or without any rightful process of determining what has happened?

Once again, just like Pearl Harbor, just like Vietnam, this is but another chapter of the government fulling the gullible masses.

The masses like easy answers, since it is not in the nature of the collective to question, but rather to follow. Thus it is the individual that is the enemy of the state, any state, be it communism, fascism, or a democracy.

[Anonymouse]

By the way surfer, here is the rebuttal to the newsmax website of xxxx Chainy's vague allegation.

http://www.thenation.com/capitalgames/index.mhtml?bid=3&pid=949

[patlajan]

FIND A GOOD PSYCHIATRIST. GET SOME HELP

[Anonymouse]

You're getting very limited and redundant.

[surferarmo]

Isn't it also odd that right after the attacks all the politicians, including the Prezidente as well as the media pundits started yelling "Terrorist" and Osama bin laden.

I find that highly suspect..why would they be CERTAIN that it was Osama and Friends right after the catastrophic event, without evidence, or without any rightful process of determining what has happened?

Once again, just like Pearl Harbor, just like Vietnam, this is but another chapter of the government fulling the gullible masses.

The masses like easy answers, since it is not in the nature of the collective to question, but rather to follow. Thus it is the individual that is the enemy of the state, any state, be it communism, fascism, or a democracy.

Well, lets figure out why you think this way in the first place. When Bush said "Gerome (or what ever the guys name is who heads the press department) is not helping the issue" all of a sudden Bush had forknowledge of 9/11. Bush says another thing about him, then stories of his daughter partying in college come about.

What about Hillary Clinton and her daughter.

Look at Tom McClintock, they are donig polls that are rigged for their benefits to make it seem as if Tom is getting closer to Arnold in the race. What you need to realize is the strategy. The media portrays this so that Republicans will start to think that McClintock will have a chance (he might, I am not saying this based on the polls). This will split the Republican vote between Arnold and McClintock, putting Bustamante in office. What you need to realize is that people in the biased media come out with "new" information to disrupt or manipulate someone.

[Anonymouse]

Hey I'm not interested in Bush's nor Hillary's daughter to be honest.

In fact, if they were to OD on angel dust or die of drunk driving, I still wouldn't care, unless Bush's daughters came over and wanted to fornicate. Bill's daughters is just too hideous.

The only thing I do care about is the lies and the false writing of history that is going on as we speak, the people that are dying because of these lies.

Bush is a liar, that is no doubt. To deny that is to try too hard to believe.

And besides, what does your post have anything to do with mine?

P.S. No one denies media bias or poll manipulations. The "Left" as well as the "Right" have their poll making entities who churn up numbers and crunch up figures to get what they want to the masses. Polls aren't important in who they reflect, but rather after they are exposed to the masses is when polls take their psychological toll and sway the masses from left and right, to hither and hither.