S.o.s!!

[Sip]

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I see that Computer Science is not the only discipline where you shine by your mediocrity; specialists can estimate the temperature as it was for the last sever thousands of year. You know how to google, educate yourself.

There in lies the problem. You put too much trust in the googles and wikipedias. Talk to some REAL climatologists and you will soon realize man-made Global Warming is mainly a political agenda and has little "proof" in science. The "evidence" is very similar to reports that claimed we are moving towards the next ice age just what, 30 years ago?

Now again, man-made environmental screw ups are definitely a reality and I am not saying (as I said before) that we should continue burning of fossil fuels and dumping chit on the earth and arond the atmosphere. But I know I know ... I am a mediocre immature person that is not up to your level of wisdom.

And once again so that you fully grasp what I am saying (hopefully without having your emotions cloud what you are reading): I am not saying there is no evidence of the Earth getting warmer in the last century and in the last few decades. But trying to make the leap and connecting it to human activity is much like trying to decide what is happening in a soccer match with just a picture. Hope that is clear now.

... and if you want to bring math into it, you are trying to fit a large nth degree model with very localized and sparse samples and ANY idiot (even the very mediocre ones) will tell you that it is a futile attempt

[Sip]

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Anonymouse, there is no use. I have been down this line before and once Siamanto's feelings get hurt, there is nothing to be "reasoned" with him.

[Anonymouse]

Re: S.o.s!!

And the above ideological - almost religious - statement is not the "expression of fear that recur" in dangerously conservative America? Should the CIA, as in the past and present, interrogate, incarcerate and murder those "out of space commies - or terrorists, to go with the flavor of the decade - who are plotting our destruction?"
Honestly, such religious beliefs scare me as much as the neo-con or Taliban fanatics do.

I find it amusing that you paint my views as "ideological" as if yours are made from the sweet purée of unfalsifiable zen and reason. I also find it ironic that you have the gall to call my views "religious" when it is precisely the almost automaton-like adherence to the global warming facade by most people, complete with its own religious imagery and zeal with Al Gore as the messiah.

You then go into a brash non-sequitur journey comparing my skepticism and refusal to accept the global warming facade on par with CIA torture chambers and neo-con wet dreams as if I support such things, nevermind how they tie in or relate to the global warming point. My guess is you did not think this through all the way and made some spurious analogy merely for the sake of smear and not for the sake of proving a point.

Such an ideological statement - not even philosophical i.e. epistemological - seems to be sooooooooooooooo popular among the scientifically untrained laymen. Ironic, but human???
Can you please give us some examples of the supposed "manipulated statistics and faulty computer projections???" Thanks!

Here you have appeared to create an intellectual Berlin Wall similar to what you did when we were discussing the French riots. When I proceeded to even make mention of my own views, you lambasted me and chided me for even daring to do so as I could not properly comment anything relating to France nor hold an opinion without having visited France.

Now you are doing something similar. You are trying to advance the ridiculous point that those who disagree with the global warming thesis are "scientifically untrained laymen" and if they were not they would surely agree with the thesis and see the truths as they are oh so self-evident. Hidden in this assumption is that the only way one would be able to disagree and even offer a valid opinion on this topic is if one at least as some scientific credentials. This is, my French-speaking earth zealot, pure horsepucky.

It's not about "predicting" the earth temperature in the past; it's about "reading" the facts as recorded by Mother Nature. Don't you think that it would be wiser to educate oneself on the subject before making such pseudo-logical and pseudo-scientific statements?

A minimal scientific training - with some knowledge of the human body - would be enough to realize that those techniques are far more scientific, accurate and reliable than those used by the fortune tellers who are legally authorized to write (drug) prescriptions and broker your relationships with the drug industry.

Maybe you should follow your own prescription and not jump to conclusions as that is not scientific.

Going to the point, global warming's high point I consider Kyoto and about the only thing Bush did right was to scrap Kyoto because it placed the burden on the United States to cut emissions while not requiring China – the world’s biggest polluter – and other polluting third-world countries to do a thing and essentially gave them a blank check. Furthermore, the regulations are harmful for American workers, because it encourages corporations to move their business overseas to countries where the regulations don’t apply.

[Siamanto]

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Global warming is nothing but the modern version of one of the many millennial fears that recur every thousand years...there is no reason to believe these global alarmists...who want to control society, industry and individuals by what is nothing more than another variant of socialism.

And the above ideological - almost religious - statement is not the "expression of fear that recur" in dangerously conservative America? Should the CIA, as in the past and present, interrogate, incarcerate and murder those "out of space commies - or terrorists, to go with the flavor of the decade - who are plotting our destruction?"
Honestly, such religious beliefs scare me as much as the neo-con or Taliban fanatics do.

It is junk science and posited on nothing more than manipulated statistics and faulty computer projections of the future.

Such an ideological statement - not even philosophical i.e. epistemological - seems to be sooooooooooooooo popular among the scientifically untrained laymen. Ironic, but human???
Can you please give us some examples of the supposed "manipulated statistics and faulty computer projections???" Thanks!

If the weather channel cannot accurately predict the weather for next week, there is no reason to believe these global alarmists

It's not about "predicting" the earth temperature in the past; it's about "reading" the facts as recorded by Mother Nature. Don't you think that it would be wiser to educate oneself on the subject before making such pseudo-logical and pseudo-scientific statements?

A minimal scientific training - with some knowledge of the human body - would be enough to realize that those techniques are far more scientific, accurate and reliable than those used by the fortune tellers who are legally authorized to write (drug) prescriptions and broker your relationships with the drug industry.

[Siamanto]

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global warming is not a myth.Siamanto's examples are so right.US goverment and other goverments refuse signing Kyoto,but it is so important.When i learned the meat sector costs 18% co2 occilaiton of world,i was shocked.US adds 25%,GB 3% but India adds 3%co2!!! indian population=3 GB population It is horrible.Ozone consists of o3.Ions decompose o3.You know,o3 blocks uV lights.UV lights causes skin cancer.but why our air has a lot of ions.Because of uncontrolled factories,nuclear energy.however world has a lot of alternative enegy:sun,wind...
Actually we have a lot of thing to do to save our world on ourselfs.We can use recycled products,change bulbs,plant tree,...etc.

http://www.sustainable.energy.sa.gov.au/pages/fluro_calc.htm

http://www.onebillionbulbs.com/ (if you live in US)

Unfortunately, when it comes to respecting Mother Nature, the mentalities in the US are, at least, one generation behind some European countries - and in some regions up to ten???? Please, continue informing others and hopefully the younger generations will learn to better respect and appreciate Mother Nature. Let's not forget that it took many generations before the concept of better respecting women was accepted - of course, in many regions, and in many ways, it's still just a concept but it's gradually becoming a fact.

[Anonymouse]

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Live Earth is not about Al Gore, it is about the Environment; it is not about the US, it is about Planet Earth.

Global warming is nothing but the modern version of one of the many millennial fears that recur every thousand years. It is junk science and posited on nothing more than manipulated statistics and faulty computer projections of the future.

If the weather channel cannot accurately predict the weather for next week, there is no reason to believe these global alarmists who make predictions about what will happen 20 years from now, and who want to control society, industry and individuals by what is nothing more than another variant of socialism.

[tamara48]

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global warming is not a myth.Siamanto's examples are so right.US goverment and other goverments refuse signing Kyoto,but it is so important.When i learned the meat sector costs 18% co2 occilaiton of world,i was shocked.US adds 25%,GB 3% but India adds 3%co2!!! indian population=3 GB population It is horrible.Ozone consists of o3.Ions decompose o3.You know,o3 blocks uV lights.UV lights causes skin cancer.but why our air has a lot of ions.Because of uncontrolled factories,nuclear energy.however world has a lot of alternative enegy:sun,wind...
Actually we have a lot of thing to do to save our world on ourselfs.We can use recycled products,change bulbs,plant tree,...etc.

http://www.sustainable.energy.sa.gov.au/pages/fluro_calc.htm

http://www.onebillionbulbs.com/ (if you live in US)

[Siamanto]

Re: S.o.s!!

I was just listening to a report on NPR about some new findings under the ice in Greenland ... they found dna of insects and various ferns and evidence of forests down there under I forget how many kilometers of ice. Sounds to me with the ice melting there in Greenland, we are going back to a state that the Earth has been in before.

What if it is not? Based on what? Can you grasp the concept of how fast a process happens, accelerate i.e. "derivative, second derivative etc." of a process???? The warming is too fast, including the acceleration!!!! Too subtle for you???

It's kind of amazing how many are jumping on this rediculous "Global Warming" bandwagon...

Can it be that your views are so narrow minded - and they usually are - that you view it as a "bandwagon?"

sure the Earth is getting warmer but who is to say that's not how it's supposed to be?

What does that mean??? Is the world supposed to be this or that? Is that a religious statement?
If you meant naturally become warmer, well it is not becoming warmer naturally...where have you been hiding during the last two decades or so???

Of course this isn't to say that we should keep burning fossil fuels and destroying our environments. But all the Al Gores and the Tree Hugging hippies that are xxxxxing about how man is causing "Global Warming" can go f-themselves just like the opposite group of morons who are convinced "Global Warming" is a myth.

It has nothing to do with specific individuals or groups. If you are not ready to grow up - and you usually brag about being immature - it is your choice, but make an effort to be mature enough to let others be concerned.

The basic facts are that no one really has a clue as you can't just observe something like Global climate change for a couple of hundred years and try to draw some definitive conclusions. That's like trying to figure out what is happening in a soccer match from a single picture.

I see that Computer Science is not the only discipline where you shine by your mediocrity; specialists can estimate the temperature as it was for the last sever thousands of year. You know how to google, educate yourself.

[Sip]

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I was just listening to a report on NPR about some new findings under the ice in Greenland ... they found dna of insects and various ferns and evidence of forests down there under I forget how many kilometers of ice. Sounds to me with the ice melting there in Greenland, we are going back to a state that the Earth has been in before.

It's kind of amazing how many are jumping on this rediculous "Global Warming" bandwagon ... sure the Earth is getting warmer but who is to say that's not how it's supposed to be?

Of course this isn't to say that we should keep burning fossil fuels and destroying our environments. But all the Al Gores and the Tree Hugging hippies that are xxxxxing about how man is causing "Global Warming" can go f-themselves just like the opposite group of morons who are convinced "Global Warming" is a myth. The basic facts are that no one really has a clue as you can't just observe something like Global climate change for a couple of hundred years and try to draw some definitive conclusions. That's like trying to figure out what is happening in a soccer match from a single picture.

[Siamanto]

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I agree he is an alarmist, fool and an idiot also. He and Bush are cut from the same cloth.

Al Gore may - or may not be - a hypocrite - but he's the best US has and his efforts have a rather positive impact in creating a synergy in the US.

I am not for waste and large industry abusing the world. Global warming may or may not be true. It seems there is more to it then what some are saying.

Global Warming is a reality to
1- The Inuits in Greenland who have lost their natural environment and their traditional transportation routes
Can you be more explicit and share with us what "is more to it then what what some are saying?" Thanks.
2- That tiny island - it's the smallest country, I forgot the name - that is struggling with the advance of ocean. The country is "scheduled" to disappear in a couple of years
3- The many species of the North Pole losing their natural habitat
4- Those who suffered from Katrina
5-....
All is needed to become aware of it is to be informed.

Just curious, what "there is more to it then what some are saying?"

I think it’s about how much money they can make by fooling people into thinking the world is coming to an end mentality. It's all about money and the alarmists are a greedy bunch who is turning the thing into a religious belief instead of true science.

Avak

The fact that some dishonest and/or unscrupulous businessmen and/or politicians are exploiting the issue to their advantage does not change the fact that it's more than a "religious belief." Your criticism is true of any religion, political theory or...
By the way, how can it be "true science," what does that mean? As a person with a scientific background, thinking that it's a question of "true science" or not is a "religious belief" spread by the mass media - and the same kind of dishonest politicians.

P.S. By the way, just curious, what is "true science???"