Barev

[Mukuch]

Re: Barev

I know an Iranian-Zoroastrian guy from Esfahan that used to use that symbol too.

Which symbol? Symbol of Dashnaks?

[Mukuch]

Re: Barev

Well I was born in Turkey but fortunately I am not a Turk. My great-grandmother was an Armenian.

Glad to know that. Yes I know that Zazas are concidered Kurds of Iranic origin...
You got very interesting signature... many of us would sign under every word in it...

[Jam]

Re: Barev

Well it is not very common compliment from some one from turkey
But thank you.

Well I was born in Turkey but fortunately I am not a Turk. My great-grandmother was an Armenian.

I know an Iranian-Zoroastrian guy from Esfahan that used to use that symbol too.

[Alevigirl88]

Re: Barev

I am glad to hear that. This is probably because your family was from Sivas. But you know those Turkish Alevis that go to mosque and fast at ramadan are saying that we are the ones that are not really Alevis.

I also hate the fact that some stupid Alevis say that Atatürk was an Alevi and therefore they love him. Atatürk that gave the order to mass kill Zaza-Alevis of Dersim. Atatürk is one of those people that I really hate.

Ataturk was not an Alevi. They 'love' him because he's now a symbol o secularism and that's it.

[Mukuch]

Re: Barev

That is good. Dashnaks are true patriots.

Well it is not very common compliment from some one from turkey
But thank you.

[Jam]

Re: Barev

Yes you are right it is the symbol of Dashnaks. I am a Dashnak *Member of Armenian Revolutionary Federation/ Dashnaktutyun

That is good. Dashnaks are true patriots.

[Mukuch]

Re: Barev

Thanks Mukuch. What is that symbol in your avatar? Isn't it the symbol of Dashnaks?

Yes you are right it is the symbol of Dashnaks. I am a Dashnak *Member of Armenian Revolutionary Federation/ Dashnaktutyun

[Jam]

Re: Barev

Well now we got a very nice Zaza/Alevi thread on our Armenian forum!

By the way, wellcome Jam.

Thanks Mukuch. What is that symbol in your avatar? Isn't it the symbol of Dashnaks?

[Jam]

Re: Barev

well, I'm A Turkish Alevi and we also don't go to mosques, but to a cem house. We also drink alcohol and it's permited and I consume pork, we have also saints and holy places and we have also monks that are called pir. Kizilbash, Zaza-Alevi, Alevi etc. are same, we have more similarities than differences. My uncle is married with a Zaza-alevi. Turkish-alevi's that go to mosques are assimilated, I don't see them as Alevi's.

I am glad to hear that. This is probably because your family was from Sivas. But you know those Turkish Alevis that go to mosque and fast at ramadan are saying that we are the ones that are not really Alevis.

I also hate the fact that some stupid Alevis say that Atatürk was an Alevi and therefore they love him. Atatürk that gave the order to mass kill Zaza-Alevis of Dersim. Atatürk is one of those people that I really hate.

[Alevigirl88]

Re: Barev

There are a lot of differences between a Zaza Alevi from Dersim and a Turkish Alevi from Konya, Izmir, Kütahya and other cities.

• We Alevis from Dersim do not pray in a mosque.
• We drink alcohol and some young people even consume pork.
• We are getting baptized 40 days after birth.
• We used to pray to sun and fire has an important role just like in Zoroastrianism.
• We have saints and holy places such as mountains, rivers and lakes.
• We have monks called "pir" that travel around and give prayers.
• People used to wear white clothes just like Zoroastrians and even had a similar belt that Zoroastrians wear.

For Bektashi Alevis a lot of things I mentioned above are unfamilar. Lately I see more and more Bektashi and Turkish Alevis that go to mosque to pray and fast in Ramadan. Alevis of Dersim never do that!

well, I'm A Turkish Alevi and we also don't go to mosques, but to a cem house. We also drink alcohol and it's permited and I consume pork, we have also saints and holy places and we have also monks that are called pir. Kizilbash, Zaza-Alevi, Alevi etc. are same, we have more similarities than differences. My uncle is married with a Zaza-alevi. Turkish-alevi's that go to mosques are assimilated, I don't see them as Alevi's.