Parev/hello from Istanbul

[Mos]

Re: Parev/hello from Istanbul

These words of yours are not nice at all. As you should know from my introduction, I am against discrimination of ALL types.

Yes, Ittihat and Terrakki fascists (and the fascist thugs they hired for the genocide) were a disgrace to humanity.But why generalise about Turks ? I will tell you more on these issues later in other sections. I will tell you what I think were the main factors behind the genocide and behind the denial that has gone on till now.

But, please, no more such words.

Many Turks willingly supported the Genocidal efforts during the early 1900s, which included acts against innocent people that only backwards, nomadic tribes would do. If not participating then supporting vocally. Till this day many see the barbarism as justified - such people have no place in the civilised world.

[Antifascist]

Re: Parev/hello from Istanbul

Wow. It is really tiring to answer all the questions and make comments on posts, one by one But I have tried to do that.

But, I would be grateful if you mainly ask me non-political questions in this section. I can discusss the political/historical stuff in the relevant sections of the forum. Thanks.

[Antifascist]

Re: Parev/hello from Istanbul

^^^They have shown me photoes of mutilated bodies of PKK fighters dragged with ropes in front of Ataturks statue......Graywolf style.

The Grey Wolves and their sympathisers are fascists. Ignore them. I mean, see them as a disgrace to humanity. That's what I do.

Don't you have fascist groups in Armenia similar to Grey Wolves ? Most countries have got them unfortunately.

[Antifascist]

Re: Parev/hello from Istanbul

My grandfather was a commie and fought in the Greek civil war against the right. But I have never really sympathized with communism or for that matter the anarchists. Communism may be good as an idea, but in practice it doesn`t really work. On the hand hand, capitalism is far from perfect, we can see how the states bails out the banks; I mean what kind of capitalism is that? First the bankers takes enormous risks and then if things goes wrong, the tax payers will have to pay for their wrongdoings. This is so wrong.

As for the anarchists, why can`t they demonstrate peacefully? Why do they have to burn cars, shops and destroy other peoples' property? I have never really understood that.

Speaking of soccer, I`m a soccermaniac! I would love to go to Euro 2012. But personally, I think watching the matches on TV is so much more comfortable and safer I think.

Which team do you support in Turkey?

I fully agree with your words, dear Alexandros. I sometimes go to political events and work together with communists and other leftists (in our struggle against fascists) but I actually see myself as an internationalist liberal democrat.

I like soccer a lot but I have been against the idea of supporting a team since about 10 years ago (I can tell you my reasons later). Before that, I was supporting Besiktas Istanbul. So, I am one of the few people in this world who like soccer without supporting a team

[Antifascist]

Re: Parev/hello from Istanbul

Well I woundn't want to hear that you got your troat cut kneeling in front of the Ataturk's statue by your ultra nationalist brothers for denouncing the collective while you are cozying up with Armenian dogs .....those Turks don't bluff my Turkish friend.

No nationalist is my brother or friend, man ! Just because those fascists are Turks, you don't have to relate them to me. I dislike ALL nationalists.

[Antifascist]

Re: Parev/hello from Istanbul

Wouldn't be surprised if Turks committed such an act. It's part of their Mongoloid nature.

These words of yours are not nice at all. As you should know from my introduction, I am against discrimination of ALL types.

Yes, Ittihat and Terrakki fascists (and the fascist thugs they hired for the genocide) were a disgrace to humanity.But why generalise about Turks ? I will tell you more on these issues later in other sections. I will tell you what I think were the main factors behind the genocide and behind the denial that has gone on till now.

But, please, no more such words.

[Antifascist]

Re: Parev/hello from Istanbul

While I m waiting for a reply I've been re-reading your(Cem) post.
You say : some people in this forum have (generalized) and said bad things about turks.
The next paragraph you state that you talk on Turkish forums against nationalism and (always) receive bad words,insults and threats.Are you generalizing when you made that last comment?
A person does not have to generalize when the speak bady about the actions of Turkish (society).
It is not a coincidence that ou always get threats etc. from your -- compatriots --- .
You tell me if I am mistaken Cem.
F an honest man or woman walked down any street in what is called turky and in a clear but non intimidating voice expressed their grief , heartbreak, and utter horror of the genocide what do you think would insue?
One does not have to generalize to say bad things about those Turks to know bad things would happen to that person who spoke the truth� or d you think speaking the truth on any street in what is called turky
about the GENOCIDE would merely cause an intellectual conversation?
Artashes

OVERALL, you have valid points in this post. As I wrote above, this is an introductory section and I prefer discussing these in the suitable section (or maybe we can discuss via private messaging or e-mail). You can trust me that I won't run away from this forum; even if some people write nasty things to me (it has happened to me before in various forums; people of various nationalities wrote insults to me mainly because I am internationalist and dislike nationalism of all kinds). As you know, being anti-nationalist is not easy in this world

[Antifascist]

Re: Parev/hello from Istanbul

Parev Cem.
My name is Artashes.
My grandmother was born in Constantinople in 1901.
May I ask you how long your family traditionally dates itself to that area?
Sincerely as ever---Artashes

Sorry for the late reply to this, dear Artashes. As you know, there are always so many things to do and read on the Internet. I write in various forums and also like to read a lot of articles and also write lots of e-mail. I can barely keep up And, I am a TV addict so I spend a lot of time watching stuff on TV too

I am an Istanbul guy. I was born and grew up here and spent most of my life here but my mother and my father are not really from Istanbul. Both of them came to Istanbul in their twenties. I hope this answers your question.

[Antifascist]

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I have never visited any of my relatives that were in Constantinople.
There isn't anyone left.
Art ashes

Dear Artashes,

I am someone who feels very bad and also angry about what happened to Armenians in 1915 (and also before 1915; as you possibly know, massacres happened between around 1890 and 1915 too). So I am someone who sympathises fully with you. I will later tell you more about how I became more and more sensitive on this issue; this is the introductory section of the forum so I don't want to get too much into such stuff here in this section.

[Artashes]

Re: Parev/hello from Istanbul

Parev Cem.
My name is Artashes.
My grandmother was born in Constantinople in 1901.
May I ask you how long your family traditionally dates itself to that area?
Sincerely as ever---Artashes

I have never visited any of my relatives that were in Constantinople.
There isn't anyone left.
Art ashes