Parev/hello from Istanbul

[Artashes]

Re: Parev/hello from Istanbul

Parev Cem.
My name is Artashes.
My grandmother was born in Constantinople in 1901.
May I ask you how long your family traditionally dates itself to that area?
Sincerely as ever---Artashes

While I m waiting for a reply I've been re-reading your(Cem) post.
You say : some people in this forum have (generalized) and said bad things about turks.
The next paragraph you state that you talk on Turkish forums against nationalism and (always) receive bad words,insults and threats.Are you generalizing when you made that last comment?
A person does not have to generalize when the speak bady about the actions of Turkish (society).
It is not a coincidence that ou always get threats etc. from your -- compatriots --- .
You tell me if I am mistaken Cem.
F an honest man or woman walked down any street in what is called turky and in a clear but non intimidating voice expressed their grief , heartbreak, and utter horror of the genocide what do you think would insue?
One does not have to generalize to say bad things about those Turks to know bad things would happen to that person who spoke the truth� or d you think speaking the truth on any street in what is called turky
about the GENOCIDE would merely cause an intellectual conversation?
Artashes

[Artashes]

Re: Parev/hello from Istanbul

Parev Cem.
My name is Artashes.
My grandmother was born in Constantinople in 1901.
May I ask you how long your family traditionally dates itself to that area?
Sincerely as ever---Artashes

[Alexandros]

Re: Parev/hello from Istanbul

Thanks, Alexandros. I am really sad about the economic crisis in Greece. I hope it won't be too many years before Greece fully recovers.

That fascist party has got a lot of militants, I think. But, let's hope the Greek anarchists and communists (I know that these two groups are strong in Greece) will give them hell in the streets

Do you like football ? Do you plan to go to Euro 2012 matches ? You know, in Euro 2004, I was really happy that Greece won it.

My grandfather was a commie and fought in the Greek civil war against the right. But I have never really sympathized with communism or for that matter the anarchists. Communism may be good as an idea, but in practice it doesn`t really work. On the hand hand, capitalism is far from perfect, we can see how the states bails out the banks; I mean what kind of capitalism is that? First the bankers takes enormous risks and then if things goes wrong, the tax payers will have to pay for their wrongdoings. This is so wrong.

As for the anarchists, why can`t they demonstrate peacefully? Why do they have to burn cars, shops and destroy other peoples' property? I have never really understood that.

Speaking of soccer, I`m a soccermaniac! I would love to go to Euro 2012. But personally, I think watching the matches on TV is so much more comfortable and safer I think.

Which team do you support in Turkey?

[Eddo211]

Re: Parev/hello from Istanbul

^^^They have shown me photoes of mutilated bodies of PKK fighters dragged with ropes in front of Ataturks statue......Graywolf style.

[Mos]

Re: Parev/hello from Istanbul

Well I woundn't want to hear that you got your troat cut kneeling in front of the Ataturk's statue by your ultra nationalist brothers for denouncing the collective while you are cozying up with Armenian dogs .....those Turks don't bluff my Turkish friend.

Wouldn't be surprised if Turks committed such an act. It's part of their Mongoloid nature.

[Eddo211]

Re: Parev/hello from Istanbul

Thanks to both of you. But, Eddo211, what did you mean by 'You should listen to your Turkish brothers' ?

Cem

Well I woundn't want to hear that you got your troat cut kneeling in front of the Ataturk's statue by your ultra nationalist brothers for denouncing the collective while you are cozying up with Armenian dogs .....those Turks don't bluff my Turkish friend.

[Antifascist]

Re: Parev/hello from Istanbul

Welcome, Cem.

Thanks, Siggie.

[Antifascist]

Re: Parev/hello from Istanbul

Welcome, Cem-hoşgeldiniz- good to meet you. Unfortunately this is not the place to find any common ground or understanding. You may learn a few things with regards to Armenians, culture, history, genocide, church. We have some intelligent members here and but many are quite flippant, ultra-sensitive, etc- some are downright fascist. I myself am nationalistic in the sense that I care about Armenia's security and survival and I also care deeply about my people, culture history but like any other site, there are many internet warrior here as well. I wish I knew of another well organized, well-run forum but none exists. Nor do I think it ever will because the moment you get Armenians and Turks talking about anything other than the weather, all hell breaks loose.

Thanks, Joseph.

I think that healthy dialogue IS possible between many Armenians and Turks. I read the Agos magazine (a weekly Armenian-community newspaper here in Turkish language) and there, I keep reading that many NGO's and individuals from both countries visit each other and are engaged in good and useful dialogue. But of course, the real difference is made via politics. And, yes, sadly, politicians offer little hope as of now.

I am hopeful that I can make dialogue with most people here. And, if I can convince even one nationalist person that nationalism is a terrible and dangerous ideology, then I am glad Let's not forget that it was nationalism that caused the Armenian genocide (of course, religion played a part too). And, we all know how much damage and destruction nationalism has caused almost all over the world throughout history. A true anti-fascist opposes all nationalism. And, I am like that. For me, being Turkish is not relevant; I consider myself a human being who just happens to be Turkish. I wish everyone considered themselves a human being first, and then Italian, Armenian, Turkish, Zambian, etc. I hope you understand me.

[Antifascist]

Re: Parev/hello from Istanbul

Welcome to the forum Cem.

As for the neo-Nazi who received 7 % and entered the Greek parliament, well shame on them who voted for them. Considering how much Greece and the Greek people suffered during the Nazi occupation, it is beyond my mind how people could even think to vote for these idiots. I spoke to my uncle who lives in Greece and he told me that a lot of people who voted for this Nazi party didn`t really knew what they really stood for. A lot of young people voted also for this party too. There is a strong discontent against the two major parties - Nea Dimokratia and PASOK. People have had enough of all the austerity measures. On the other hand, someting needs to be done, Greece can`t continue as they did before. Do I have to mention corruption? Of course, there are so many factors to why Greece came to this point. We are talking about chronic propblems here. The economic and financial crisis didn`t happen over night. And by the way, it isn`t the first time Greece goes bankrupt. I just hope that the new politicians who enters the parliament starts to think about the Greek people and not their own interestes. Our biggest enemy has become ourselves - and not the Turks!!!!

Thanks, Alexandros. I am really sad about the economic crisis in Greece. I hope it won't be too many years before Greece fully recovers.

That fascist party has got a lot of militants, I think. But, let's hope the Greek anarchists and communists (I know that these two groups are strong in Greece) will give them hell in the streets

Do you like football ? Do you plan to go to Euro 2012 matches ? You know, in Euro 2004, I was really happy that Greece won it.

[Alexandros]

Re: Parev/hello from Istanbul

Welcome to the forum Cem.

As for the neo-Nazi who received 7 % and entered the Greek parliament, well shame on them who voted for them. Considering how much Greece and the Greek people suffered during the Nazi occupation, it is beyond my mind how people could even think to vote for these idiots. I spoke to my uncle who lives in Greece and he told me that a lot of people who voted for this Nazi party didn`t really knew what they really stood for. A lot of young people voted also for this party too. There is a strong discontent against the two major parties - Nea Dimokratia and PASOK. People have had enough of all the austerity measures. On the other hand, someting needs to be done, Greece can`t continue as they did before. Do I have to mention corruption? Of course, there are so many factors to why Greece came to this point. We are talking about chronic propblems here. The economic and financial crisis didn`t happen over night. And by the way, it isn`t the first time Greece goes bankrupt. I just hope that the new politicians who enters the parliament starts to think about the Greek people and not their own interestes. Our biggest enemy has become ourselves - and not the Turks!!!!