Neo Iranians: The Case of Azeri Turks

[jgk3]

Re: Neo Iranians: The Case of Azeri Turks

She is Persian and not German. She looks typical Persian. She definitely does not look German. I will show you later,



According to you, everybody in Iran look the same. They look "Iranian". They only speak different languages and have different political views. Soon Armenians are going to look "Iranian" too. Choosing between Persian identity and Iranian identity, Iran chooses Iranian identity.

Very nice discussion for American think thanks who do not know anything about Iran.

I am speaking on behalf of all Persians and specially those with aryan origin. The natives of Iran consider you "Iranians" as nothing more than insects!!!!

We are Iranians to you? That's funny. I understand that Persians have their own appearance, they have phenotypes that aren't as frequent in these "Iranians" as you call them, but the differences between your ethnic groups lies in your genepools, which have some leeway depending on the particular subregion you look at, who the particular ancestors of an individual family where, etc...

But seriously, Persians just traditionally constituted the majority group in the Persian empire, and they still do in Iran. They were, and continue to be, one of the main IRANIAN peoples in Iran. Modern ethnographers employed by government agencies in the west, and possibly in your own country, attempt to cloak just what this modern idea of Iranian ethnic group that is distinct from Persian, constitutes.

It is understood though that the present administration in your country likes (aside from its orientation to pan-Shiism and using its aura of Fundamentalist Islamic regime as a weapon against western interests) the idea of pan-Iranism modeled in such a way as to make Farsi the national language and wishes to discontinue the identification of Persians, or any minority Iranian groups with other names, with these traditional delineations. Everyone is Iranian. That's all. If that angers you, that's fine, but this has nothing to do with Armenian politics nor with fake Azerbaijan as Hellektor termed it.

Armenia's relationship with Iran is a political one, keep that in mind, and they are a strategic partner, not an enemy. As hellektor mentioned, Azarbaijan in Iran is not the same as the Turkish Azerbaijan, stop trying to convince us that they are. The one in Iran speaks a Turkish language but is Iranian in origin, just like you Persians, while the latter is not Iranian in origin at all. The latter has nothing to do with Persians whatsoever.

We have good political relations with the Iranian Azeri leadership of Iran. Tough luck for you if that bothers you. We can barely hold our own in the Caucasus, like we need to make an enemy of Iran.

[skhara]

Re: oslonor is an "Azeri" spambot that wants the destruction of Iran and Armenia

Mr. Helhektor: It is very clear what you are. Anti-Anatolian Turk and Anti-Kurd. You are nothing more than a pro-Iranian Skin head. Your game is over.

Man, you don't make any sense. We are mostly "Anti-Anatolian turk" especially.

[oslonor]

Re: Neo Iranians: The Case of Azeri Turks

Mr. JGK3:

These are your Iranian People: Dinaric Alpine

[oslonor]

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[oslonor]

Re: Neo Iranians: The Case of Azeri Turks

I don't care about blue eyes and blond hair either. I'm saying the appearance of the "Persian" girl you posted strikes me as a German look, not a Persian look. Germans have their fair share of brunettes you know, I don't know why you brought this issue of hair colour and eye colour here in the first place.

She is Persian and not German. She looks typical Persian. She definitely does not look German. I will show you later,

In my opinion, there are no concrete boundaries between the appearance of one ethnic group and another if they are adjacent and have mixed throughout the ages. Persians are an Iranian people, just like historic Parthians and real Azeris and Kurds. Their main differences lie in cultural traditions and in language, in their respective political centers that have influenced history throughout the epochs. They are all native to Iran. Modern misconceptions about Iranian as a historical ethnic group of its own, that is to par with, lets say, Persian, is ridiculous. It is only in the national political interests of modern Iran to denominate an ethnic group as "Iranian" in the way it does, segregating its status from Persian, Azeri, Kurdish, etc...

I am sure that the modern day groups who call themselves Iranian or Persian do have differences in political outlooks regarding their respective groups and the administration of their country, they have certain cultural differences too of course (however slight), seriously, the modern day identity of "Iranian" is just an amalgamation of former, smaller Iranian identities and any foreigners who could be assimilated into it, and now the state of Iran would like to continue the process so that it absorbs Persian into the same denomination.

According to you, everybody in Iran look the same. They look "Iranian". They only speak different languages and have different political views. Soon Armenians are going to look "Iranian" too. Choosing between Persian identity and Iranian identity, Iran chooses Iranian identity.

Very nice discussion for American think thanks who do not know anything about Iran.

I am speaking on behalf of all Persians and specially those with aryan origin. The natives of Iran consider you "Iranians" as nothing more than insects!!!!

[oslonor]

Re: oslonor is an "Azeri" spambot that wants the destruction of Iran and Armenia

Guys!

Now these pan-Turkists are desperately trying to confuse the Iranians, a collection of many Iranian ethnicities living together in this country for thousands of years, with sophistical, often absurd argumentations, to enforce the Jewey Lewis project of decimating Iran, a diabolical scheme that along with the destruction of that country will also destroy Armenia.

The maps below describe what this oslonor robot is after, don't fall in their pan-Turkist trap:

These swindlers have been so damn “generous” to just “cede” one side of Ararat to Armenia and almost the whole of Turkish occupied Armenia to Kurdistan, a country that has never existed in history...

Mr. Helhektor: It is very clear what you are. Anti-Anatolian Turk and Anti-Kurd. You are nothing more than a pro-Iranian Skin head. Your game is over.

[Hellektor]

oslonor is an "Azeri" spambot that wants the destruction of Iran and Armenia

Guys!

You are falling into their trap. This fictitious “nation” called “Azeri” is projecting their deficiencies on others. The only nation, race, clan, group that never existed in human history is the nonentity called “Azeri” Turk.

The fabrication of this nationality in late 1930s (then they called it “Azerbaijani”, the abbreviation to “Azeri” happened decades later) was not an innocent affaire. Decades after they stole the name of Azarbaijan (the real, Atrpatakan) from Iran, when they counterfeited their fake country on Armenian territory in 1918 for pan-Turkist purposes of annexing the real to their bogus state, they fabricated this sham nationality to assimilate all the Muslim ethnicities (Tats, Talishes, Lezgins, Tsakhurs, Luitsis, Kurds, etc.) under this umbrella appellation.

Now these pan-Turkists are desperately trying to confuse the Iranians, a collection of many Iranian ethnicities living together in this country for thousands of years, with sophistical, often absurd argumentations, to enforce the Jewey Lewis project of decimating Iran, a diabolical scheme that along with the destruction of that country will also destroy Armenia.

The maps below describe what this oslonor robot is after, don't fall in their pan-Turkist trap:

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Click the map for a larger version

P.S. The stingy, miserly bastards who drew this have shamelessly robbed free Artsakh and have given it to the sore fucking losers and perpetrators of genocide and war fake “Azerbaijan”, that also undeservedly receives the real Azarbaijan (Atrpatakan), yet the rascals have brazenly labeled Armenia in black, according to them among those that gain territory!

These swindlers have been so damn “generous” to just “cede” one side of Ararat to Armenia and almost the whole of Turkish occupied Armenia to Kurdistan, a country that has never existed in history...

[jgk3]

Re: Neo Iranians: The Case of Azeri Turks

I don't care about blue eyes and blond hair either. I'm saying the appearance of the "Persian" girl you posted strikes me as a German look, not a Persian look. Germans have their fair share of brunettes you know, I don't know why you brought this issue of hair colour and eye colour here in the first place.

In my opinion, there are no concrete boundaries between the appearance of one ethnic group and another if they are adjacent and have mixed throughout the ages. Persians are an Iranian people, just like historic Parthians and real Azeris and Kurds. Their main differences lie in cultural traditions and in language, in their respective political centers that have influenced history throughout the epochs. They are all native to Iran. Modern misconceptions about Iranian as a historical ethnic group of its own, that is to par with, lets say, Persian, is ridiculous. It is only in the national political interests of modern Iran to denominate an ethnic group as "Iranian" in the way it does, segregating its status from Persian, Azeri, Kurdish, etc...

I am sure that the modern day groups who call themselves Iranian or Persian do have differences in political outlooks regarding their respective groups and the administration of their country, they have certain cultural differences too of course (however slight), seriously, the modern day identity of "Iranian" is just an amalgamation of former, smaller Iranian identities and any foreigners who could be assimilated into it, and now the state of Iran would like to continue the process so that it absorbs Persian into the same denomination.

[oslonor]

Re: Neo Iranians: The Case of Azeri Turks

Persian is nordic, Iranian is Dinaric alpine? Germans are characterized by blond hair and blue eyes?

I'm sorry to inform you but... you're funny I think we're going to remember this last post of yours for a while.

What kind of black and white thinking is this? My poor friend, you are an island if you honestly think that you can classify an ethnic groups phenotypes along such neat categories.

I'm curious, what does your anthropological genius have to say about Armenian phenotypes? I'd like to know.

It may be news to you but anthropology does not care about blue eyes and blond hair. On Armenians you should ask them. But what do you see the difference between Persian and Iranian? The pictures that have been posted.

[Armanen]

Re: Neo Iranians: The Case of Azeri Turks

The fact that the bot doesn't realize that Persians are a subgroup of Iranic tribes says more than enough about his knowledge of racial anthropology.