Neo Iranians: The Case of Azeri Turks

[oslonor]

Re: Neo Iranians: The Case of Azeri Turks

I read on the internet today, that iran has changed its opinion on the karabakh issue. It is sideing with baku now. have you guys heard this?

read my article on US policy in Afghanistan. They are planning the turkification of Armenia too.

[Gevork]

Re: Neo Iranians: The Case of Azeri Turks

I read on the internet today, that iran has changed its opinion on the karabakh issue. It is sideing with baku now. have you guys heard this?

[robertik1]

Re: Neo Iranians: The Case of Azeri Turks

Entzi toovema es mege meehad toork gyot veran mene.

[oslonor]

Re: oslonor is an "Azeri" spambot

Do you think Iran considers it counterfeited on Armenian territory? I am pretty sure in Iran its considered counterfeited on Iranian territory. Had Azerbaijan proclaimed and pursued pan-shiism instead of pan-turkism, Iran would be an enemy to Armenia not a trading partner.

No one considers anything Armenian territory other than Armenians the 3 big competing power consider it either Iranian territory, Russian territory, or Ottoman territory.

Finally an Armenian made a good point.

[samvel]

Re: oslonor is an "Azeri" spambot

samvel jan,

The point is, this oslonor spambot is pretending they are Persians while they are "Azeris" who want to chop Azarbaijan (the real) off Iran and annex it to the fake nonentity north of the Arax, counterfeited on Armenian territory in 1918, stealing its name from Azarbaijan (Atrpatakan) of Iran.

I have dealt with this exhaustively in And the Fraud Had a Name. I have posted it as text on several Armenian forums including hyeclub as well. Please read it when you find the time.

OK

[skhara]

Re: oslonor is an "Azeri" spambot

counterfeited on Armenian territory in 1918, stealing

Do you think Iran considers it counterfeited on Armenian territory? I am pretty sure in Iran its considered counterfeited on Iranian territory. Had Azerbaijan proclaimed and pursued pan-shiism instead of pan-turkism, Iran would be an enemy to Armenia not a trading partner.

No one considers anything Armenian territory other than Armenians the 3 big competing power consider it either Iranian territory, Russian territory, or Ottoman territory.

[Hellektor]

oslonor is an "Azeri" spambot

shah abas is king of iran that he come from tabriz in eastern azarbayejan of iran

samvel jan,

The point is, this oslonor spambot is pretending they are Persians while they are "Azeris" who want to chop Azarbaijan (the real) off Iran and annex it to the fake nonentity north of the Arax, counterfeited on Armenian territory in 1918, stealing its name from Azarbaijan (Atrpatakan) of Iran.

I have dealt with this exhaustively in And the Fraud Had a Name. I have posted it as text on several Armenian forums including hyeclub as well. Please read it when you find the time.

[samvel]

Re: Neo Iranians: The Case of Azeri Turks

Still spamming the Armenian forums?

Safavids are kings of Persia not “Azerbaijan”. The only “Azeri” dynasty is that of the Aliyevs, the present ruling clan of the artificially counterfeited fraudulent nonentity of fake “Azerbaijan”.

A nation called “Azeri” has never existed throughout human history. Fortunately I have already compiled enough material to counter the predictable Turk regurgitations and delirious hallucinations, so all I have to do is copy/paste from my own writings!

Safavids Are Kings of Persia not “Azerbaijan”

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Shah Esmail killing Uzbek leader Mohammad Sheibani in a battle near Merv, 1510

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shah abas is king of iran that he come from tabriz in eastern azarbayejan of iran

[TomServo]

Re: Neo Iranians: The Case of Azeri Turks

Oslonor spreads his (mis)information at Iranian and other forums as well, not only Armenian ones.

[Hellektor]

Re: Neo Iranians: The Case of Azeri Turks

The Neo-Iranians: The case of Azeri Turks

With the fall of Byzantine or East Roman Empire in 14 century a branch of Oghuz Turks entered Iran and built the Saffavid dynasty in Iran. Byzantine was a Greek-Roman civilization and was replaced by Ottoman Turks.

The Oghuz Turks who entered Iran are called Azeri Turks as they occupied North-West region of Iran or Azerbaijan province. bla, bla, bla...

Still spamming the Armenian forums?

Safavids are kings of Persia not “Azerbaijan”. The only “Azeri” dynasty is that of the Aliyevs, the present ruling clan of the artificially counterfeited fraudulent nonentity of fake “Azerbaijan”.

A nation called “Azeri” has never existed throughout human history. Fortunately I have already compiled enough material to counter the predictable Turk regurgitations and delirious hallucinations, so all I have to do is copy/paste from my own writings!

Safavids Are Kings of Persia not “Azerbaijan”

Figure 25


Shah Esmail killing Uzbek leader Mohammad Sheibani in a battle near Merv, 1510

Turkish “scholars” have transgressed all limits of decency and their slime of shamelessness flowing in every direction has encroached upon all aspects of historic, cultural, religious and national properties of every ancient and existing civilization known to man, desecrating and distorting them all. Not surprisingly, the Iranian dynasties have been appropriated to justify the illegitimate presence of the Turks in lands both inside Iran, those under Persian rule and beyond.

Whenever the need arises to find an excuse for their illegal usurpation of other peoples’ territory, Sumerians, Assyrians, Akkadians, Babylonians, Arameans, Manni, Mittani, Arrata, Urartu, Hurrians, Hittites, Elamite, Medians, Achaemenids, Parthians, Scythians, Aluanians, Egyptians, Etruscans, Lydians, Thracians, Phrygians, Greeks and what not become Turks as naturally as genetic “research” in Turkey and its phony extension “prove” beyond question that Kurds, Eskimos, Native Americans, Incas, Aztecs, Mayas, Martians, Saturnans, Jupiterians and heaven knows what, are all Turks.

Regarding Iran, apart from pre-Islamic Median, Achaemenid, Arsacid (Parthian) and Sassanid Iranian empires, they also claim those that were formed after the Turkic invasions from the 11th century onward. While the Seljuk, Mongol and Tatar devastators that came after the collapse of the caliphate, may be viewed as foreign rulers and occupiers, there’s no justification in usurping the Safavid, Afshar, Zand and Qajar kings and pretend they were Turkish, still more grotesquely the kings of “Azerbaijan”.

That the Safavids were shahs of Persia is indisputable and this fact has never given rise to the slightest atom of doubt in the minds of historians the world over. Yet the counterfeiters have gone to unknown realms of the irrational to weave the most illogical fables to somehow show that they were the emperors of a mighty “unified Azerbaijan” that existed long before the universe was created and stretched from one side of the Milky Way to the other end of a black hole zillions of light years away.

Iran in the time of Safavids was threatened by two ferocious Turkic dynasties: the Ottomans in the west and the Uzbek Sheibanis in the east. For almost three centuries of their reign the Safavids fought the Ottoman Tyranny and were even allies of Europe against the Turks. They firmly believed that they had the mission to restore the Persian Empire to its former glory, prior to Arab and Turkish invasions.

Shiism was introduced in Iran and forced on the people in the time of Shah Esmail for political purposes because of this animosity and the danger of both Sunni Turkic dynasties in the west and the east, mainly to prevent subversive Ottoman influence especially in already Turkish speaking Azarbaijan (the real).

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Portrait of Shah Ismail (Reads: Ismael… Sophy… Rex... Per…)


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Copper engraving by Dominicus Custos, from his Atrium heroicum Caesarum pub. 1600-1602

The inscriptions “Ismael… Sophy… Rex... Per…” on the Medieval European portrait of Shah Esmail and “Shach Abas Persarvm Rex (Sciac Appas Persiarvm Rex)” on the engraving done by Dominicus Custos do not leave a place for calling the Safavids kings of “Azerbaijan”. The text under the engraving praises Shah Abbas for his victories over the Ottomans and puts him in the hall of fame of great kings (Atrium of heroic Caesars) of history comparing Shah Abbas to Cyrus the Great of Persia.

In 1502, a very young Esmail defeated the Turkic Ak Koyunlu (white sheep) occupiers of Azarbaijan (the real), chose Tabriz as his capital and was declared King on 11 March 1502.

Shah Esmail (Ismail, Ismael), the founder of the dynasty was of Kurdish origin, practiced a Persian Sufi cult and believed he was a descendant of the kings of the Sassanid Empire (224-651 AD). He had to face Ottoman transgression at Chaldiran (1514) where the Turks occupied northwestern parts of Iran and the Caucasus until they were expelled by Shah Abbas the Great (1587-1629) in 1603.

Shah Abbas changed the capital of Iran from Tabriz to the more centrally situated Isfahan in 1598 and undertook unprecedented construction, turning Isfahan into one of the most magnificent cities in the east. Many of these architectural wonders have survived and are among the most popular tourist attractions in Iran.

The flourishing of Persia in the Safavid era is significant both in the context of rendering Turkish claims void, and from a historic perspective regarding the fervent promotion and advance of Persian culture, art, architecture, literature and music.

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