Zeitgeist Addendum

[Anonymouse]

Re: Zeitgeist Addendum

They soon propose an alternative to the monetary system, called the Venus Project, which is a resource-based society which strives to eliminate scarcity of resources, and thus competition over them, effectively pacifying our living conditions.

I have to disagree with this portion as it sound socialistic.

We cannot eliminate a world of scarcity. As long as there are human actors which value subjective things, we can never eliminate the problem of scarcity.

[jgk3]

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Thanks Armenian, perhaps you can e-mail the producer of Zeitgeist about this, he has edited his film in the past after its initial release.

By the way, I heard that this film would've been available for video rental in places like Blockbuster if it weren't for the highly controversial advice on what you can do to help the movement at the end of the movie :P

[Armenian]

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Once again, very well done. It was a very good idea to lay off religion bashing somewhat because the approach had turned off a large segment of the viewers right from the start. Thus, it was counterproductive to the intention of the documentary itself. I also noticed a factual flaw. British Foreign Secretary Robin Cook did not make the statement - "The truth is, there is no Islamic army or terrorist group called Al Qaida. And any informed intelligence officer knows this. But there is a propaganda campaign to make the public believe in the presence of an identified entity representing the 'devil' only in order to drive the 'TV watcher' to accept a unified international leadership for a war against terrorism. The country behind this propaganda is the US and the lobbyists for the US war on terrorism are only interested in making money." This comment was made by the former French military intelligence agent Pierre-Henry Bunel. Robin Cook had stated in an article to the British paper Guardian - "Al-Qaida, literally "the database", was originally the computer file of the thousands of mujahideen who were recruited and trained with help from the CIA to defeat the Russians. Inexplicably, and with disastrous consequences, it never appears to have occurred to Washington that once Russia was out of the way, Bin Laden's organisation would turn its attention to the west."

[jgk3]

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Having watched the second one, I can answer that the maker of Zeitgeist probably didn't feel the need to answer back to the rebuttal, they chose to address the religion issue to a far lesser degree (almost minute degree actually) though he maintained about twice in the movie, very briefly, a prejudice towards it as an institution and how masses of not so bright people depend on it to keep a closed view in the name of God or something of the like.

I think the maker noted that he stood on shaky ground when it came to proving his detailed dismissal of Christianity as a clone religion of other, more ancient solar messiah cults, which was the chief source of all rebuttals, if not the only one, towards Zeitgeist.

[Anonymouse]

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You should be able to pull it up on googlevideo if you search for "anti zeitgeist"

So there is a rebuttal to Zeitgeist.

My next question is then, why did they not address the rebuttal before making another installment? That seems pretty shoddy.

[Armanen]

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I was under the impression that there was a video that was released which purported to refute the claims of the first Zeitgeist.

Am I wrong? If so, can you shed light on this? I greatly enjoyed the first one as it confirmed and pointed out all the things that I had mostly already known or read, and some new information.

Let me know.

You should be able to pull it up on googlevideo if you search for "anti zeitgeist"

[Anonymouse]

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I was under the impression that there was a video that was released which purported to refute the claims of the first Zeitgeist.

Am I wrong? If so, can you shed light on this? I greatly enjoyed the first one as it confirmed and pointed out all the things that I had mostly already known or read, and some new information.

Let me know.

[jgk3]

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in essence, the Venus Project is a nwo, though it is not driven by any state structure or elite ruling class. What came to mind for me is what Evola would have deemed as the fourth level of the degeneration of elitism where true collectivist leadership is the orienting force for the masses. At present, he'd classify us as still being at the third level, one where we are ruled by an oligarchy of plutocratic and capitalistic nature.

Anyway....

This "education" isn't discussed as one being about indoctrinating anybody, but as one that serves as a free, accessible platform for all humans to assimilate technical skills, learn philosophy and generally expand their learning beyond the present model of state-sponsored education (training you for a specialized task and shipping you off to the labour force). It wants you to become a well rounded thinker able to acquire whatever skills you desire to build whatever you're interested in.

I have my own thoughts on what would be the more realistic outcome of all this, but I'll wait till you watch it.

[Armanen]

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The Venus Project places a high premium on:

- Education
- Elimination of factional thinking
- Realizing and opening up the benefits of a technologically driven tradition to all of humanity

Without having watched the video, this all sounds a bit like what the nwo would like to see occur. Universal education so as to indoctrinate the youth, elimination of ethnic and racial identity and transhumanism. I will try to watch the video soon.

[jgk3]

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7065205277695921912

This is the sequel you might say of the original Zeitgeist, it was released on the internet on October 4th, 2008.

The content this time investigates the question of where our money is coming from, this time in far greater detail than the original.

Topics of discussion include:

- How a fractional reserve system works
- The role of interest on loans when those loans are created artificially by banks
- The role of international institutions like IMF and World Bank for building empires through finance

Next, we find an investigation on so called "human nature". A key statement in its introduction is that all the corruption and general lack of ethical consideration we find in our institutions and in our commerce at large are not the causes of the problem, but its symptoms. The true problem is the monetary system itself. I found it very interesting the way they explained it and I'll leave it to you to view this yourself.

They soon propose an alternative to the monetary system, called the Venus Project, which is a resource-based society which strives to eliminate scarcity of resources, and thus competition over them, effectively pacifying our living conditions.

The Venus Project places a high premium on:

- Education
- Elimination of factional thinking
- Realizing and opening up the benefits of a technologically driven tradition to all of humanity

At the end, the documentary tries to unify all the topics it had covered and provide us with a solid basis for appreciating the essentials for life. It contrasts a great degree to what amount of happiness the confines of a monetary-driven society, with all its institutions and commerce based on scarcity and competition could allow for.

I hope you enjoy it and I encourage participation for discussion.