To Vote or Not to Vote

[One-Way]

Re: To Vote or Not to Vote

Only individuals can stand up against the stupidity of the masses. Never doubt that. Going against the grain is unpopular and often shunned or chastised, but it is often times where truth lies. The majorities and masses are always ruled by emotions and passions, but never their minds. They have been lulled and pampered into a comfortable cognitive dissonance.

When you have McCain and Obama along with all the other presidential candidates except Ron Paul, Dennis Kucinich and Mike Gravel, as members of the notorious globalist Council on Foreign Relations which wields more influence than anything else, you can bet your dollar they have more say in what goes on than you as a voter.

As Michael Parenti said in Dirty Truths, City Lights Books, 1996:

"Those who suffer from conspiracy phobia are fond of saying: "Do you actually think there's a group of people sitting around in a room plotting things?" For some reason that image is assumed to be so patently absurd as to invite only disclaimers. But where else would people of power get together – on park benches or carousels? Indeed, they meet in rooms: corporate boardrooms, Pentagon command rooms, at the Bohemian Grove, in the choice dining rooms at the best restaurants, resorts, hotels, and estates, in the many conference rooms at the White House, the NSA, the CIA, or wherever. And, yes, they consciously plot – though they call it "planning" and "strategizing" – and they do so in great secrecy, often resisting all efforts at public disclosure. No one confabulates and plans more than political and corporate elites and their hired specialists."

As long as McCain and Obama want to maintain the Federal Reserve which causes the ruin of the economy and the continued devaluation of the dollar, leading to boom-bust cycles, they are the same.

As long as they want to maintain an unconstitutional income tax, they are the same.

As long as they want to keep on the constant federal spending on all sorts of worthless imperial programs both at home and abroad, when this country is bankrupt, they are the same.

As long as they want to increase more regulations and interventions into the market place and further cause distortions in the market via socialistic policies, they are the same.

As long as they want to maintain the FDA-medical-pharmaceutical-industrial complex, they are the same.

As long as they want to expand the government's socialistic health care policies and programs, along with pharmaceutical-industrial complex, they are the same.

As long as they want to continue the war on drugs, they are the same.

As long as they want to maintain U.S. troops in Iraq and/or Afghanistan, they are the same.

As long as they want to maintain U.S. troops around the world in the various bases of the imperial outposts, they are the same.

As long as they perpetuate the rest of the military-industrial complex, including American troops around the world, and endless foreign aid to worthless countries, they are the same.

As long as they continue the bogus war on terror, they are the same.

As long as they continue to enable post-911 agencies' powers and programs and assaults on civil liberties, they are the same.

As long as they continue the worthless and unconstitutional program like social security, they are the same.

As long as they continue dismantling property rights under the guise and mantra of "climate change" (changed from "global warming"), they are the same.

I don't mean to quote this entire post but you don't have to tell me. I agree.

[One-Way]

Re: To Vote or Not to Vote

You do realize there are a lot more things on the ballot than just who gets to be president, right? And in fact, for many state propositions, every single vote could make a difference since it's not decided based on a college.

I agree, it isn't just about voting for a president.

However, I do (for once) agree with Inthemood's post about the electoral vote. I had to explain to many people, yet again, what this all about. The unfortunate thing is people don't really know anything about voting and just do it anyway.

What's worse is they vote for somebody they know nothing about.

[Inthemood]

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I'm not the only one:

The New York Times
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpag...5BC0A9629C8B63

[Inthemood]

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I agree, it isn't just about voting for a president.

However, I do (for once) agree with Inthemood's post

Heavens forbid...that's like moving to the darkest side.

[One-Way]

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I just looking at that link before you posted it and yes, it is the dark side.

[Inthemood]

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You can do anything, but you can't do that...

[Anonymouse]

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Americans are so simple-minded and easy to sway like emotional loose cannons, waiting on that one great promise to be led to the golden land of easy chairs. The word CHANGE, despite the objective dictionary meaning, is the pet phrase that's repeated over and over. Like good little automatons they parade behind their man chanting "change," and apply God-like greatness to their new Lord and Master. Lead me Dear Great One. Throw me some bread, put on a circus or two, and I shall be your true-blue worshiper.

Quoted for truth.

[Anonymouse]

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I have to say that I am pretty shocked at just how many people are absolutely clueless about the electoral college system. I've been saying to people for ages that their presidential votes don't really count, if they want a direct influence they should focus on their local elections. People still don't understand. I love it how the states have already decided for one of the candidates and people are still going to the voting polls.

What's the percentage of people who voted this election? I think everyone and their grandmother did. Most still don't understand what happened with Al Gore and Bush election. How can you go vote and not understand how it works? Especially if you have lived in this country for more than 30 years? Today I had to explain to my "older" coworkers the electoral college system and how it works, and this is after they voted. They were shocked to find out that the popular vote doesn't necessarily determine presidency.

Everyone here should survey people they know and find out how many actually understand the US voting system. It's really shocking.

Also I love how people talk about Obama, with such conviction as if they have watched his management style and understand the issues. Common praises and faith in his success as a presidents are:

1. He is a Democrat.
2. He is not like Bush.
3. He cares about the middle class.
4. That goddamn crap about Energy independence.
5. He will raise minimum wage (why don't people try to at least understand the lack of reasoning behind that action?)
6. He will increase taxes for the rich (this just really makes me mad, as if the rich only represent the evil class which only abuses the poor and has money just raining down on them).
7. He guarantees good relations with Israel (like that's ever been an issue).
8. Health care for all.
9. Pulling troops out of Iraq and Afghanistan.
10. He promises all of the above.

In his closing speech I heard him emphasize "I promise." I just really can't stand when politicians "promise" these grandiose plans which are most likely impossible to fulfill and are simply be a failure. I was just wondering why doesn't he just promise us Pink Unicorns and get it over with, at least there will be some consistency.

I guess I just really really hate when people say uneducated, retarded and trivial things without ever analyzing their validity. I hate it when people encourage everyone to vote and use that dump cliche "Don't forget to vote, every vote counts!" It's very infuriating.

Once again, I am so disappointed that this nation, which represents freedom and liberty, has reached a point where people are having to chose the "lesser evil of the two." (whatever that means).

Do you think that Obama will pull out the troops?

Most people who voted for Obama did not do so because they understand his position on the "issues". The issues are irrelevant as there really isn't a difference between the two party system. It's the illusion of change and voting is the mechanism by which the masses are able to pretend to partake in this system.

The allegiances of these politicians, including this Obama character, are to other organizations, overt and covert. You cannot rise that high in politics without being bought or sold long ago.

The naivety and myopia which pervades the masses in this mass movement voting gyration is astounding. The newsreel images of these Obama supporters crying and yelling is eerily fascinating at how zombie-like mass-minded herd thinking is. The only other time where I can remember someone was able to create such a cult of personality and create such blind zeal and fervor in a crowd amounting to idolatry was Mr. Hitler. There is an almost messianic feel to Obama that his minions are eating up.

[Armenian]

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I am not naive; I know exactly what I'm saying. Both Obama and Biden have had long track records of being pro-Armenian before they started their campaign. I mean, they don't even live in highly Armenian-populated states! Obama has shown to be committed to recognizing atrocities, past and current, and calling the governments out on it. You can lean on the side of despair. I, however, will lean on the side of hope.

Although I did not vote for anyone (I don't believe in democracy, especially the one practiced here in the US), I still prefer Obama over McCain. However, I agree with Anon. Now that Barak is the president, his administration will do everything in its power not to utter the term - Armenian Genocide. Being pro-Armenian 'before' you are in the driver's seat is one thing... When real geopolitical/economic issues come into question, it's a whole different world... Do you really think Washington is about to ruin its strategic relations with a major ally in the region over a tiny little speck on the map? Incidentally, the ANC supported Bush in 2000 because he had promised the same thing... If Barak or any other official wants to stay alive they have to go with the program setup for them when they enter the Oval Office, be it the one set up by Zionist or the one set up by this nation's financial/political elite... I still don't understand how/why Americans still think they actually have a say in real politics... You are still young and idealistic, but it's not a matter of despair or hope, as you put it, it's a matter of realpolitik.

[Anonymouse]

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I am not naive; I know exactly what I'm saying. Both Obama and Biden have had long track records of being pro-Armenian before they started their campaign. I mean, they don't even live in highly Armenian-populated states! Obama has shown to be committed to recognizing atrocities, past and current, and calling the governments out on it.

And I don't think Obama is as connected to Zionists as you think he is, and most certainly less than McCain is. Obama has made the Genocide recognition promise over and over again to ANCA and other Armenian organizations. Do you think they're going to sit idly by and let a bunch of joos run the show? Of course not. ANCA gave Obama the Armenian vote which was decisive in many states (So Goes the Armenian vote, so goes the nation?). We should not underestimate ANCA's power in lobbying and getting things done.

You can lean on the side of despair. I, however, will lean on the side of hope.

I'm sorry but this post demonstrates exactly your naivety. If you think anyone can become president without the support of AIPAC, and other interests such as the Council on Foreign Relations, or the Trilateral Commission which one of Obama's key backers was a supporters of - Zbigniew Brzezinski - then you have alot of reading to do. And in case you don't know, he is considered the Democrats' version of Henry Kissinger. Zbigniew Brzezinski is a Russophobe, and that doesn't bode well for Armenia.