To Vote or Not to Vote

[One-Way]

Re: To Vote or Not to Vote

You do realize there are a lot more things on the ballot than just who gets to be president, right? And in fact, for many state propositions, every single vote could make a difference since it's not decided based on a college.

I agree, it isn't just about voting for a president.

However, I do (for once) agree with Inthemood's post about the electoral vote. I had to explain to many people, yet again, what this all about. The unfortunate thing is people don't really know anything about voting and just do it anyway.

What's worse is they vote for somebody they know nothing about.

[One-Way]

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Only individuals can stand up against the stupidity of the masses. Never doubt that. Going against the grain is unpopular and often shunned or chastised, but it is often times where truth lies. The majorities and masses are always ruled by emotions and passions, but never their minds. They have been lulled and pampered into a comfortable cognitive dissonance.

When you have McCain and Obama along with all the other presidential candidates except Ron Paul, Dennis Kucinich and Mike Gravel, as members of the notorious globalist Council on Foreign Relations which wields more influence than anything else, you can bet your dollar they have more say in what goes on than you as a voter.

As Michael Parenti said in Dirty Truths, City Lights Books, 1996:

"Those who suffer from conspiracy phobia are fond of saying: "Do you actually think there's a group of people sitting around in a room plotting things?" For some reason that image is assumed to be so patently absurd as to invite only disclaimers. But where else would people of power get together – on park benches or carousels? Indeed, they meet in rooms: corporate boardrooms, Pentagon command rooms, at the Bohemian Grove, in the choice dining rooms at the best restaurants, resorts, hotels, and estates, in the many conference rooms at the White House, the NSA, the CIA, or wherever. And, yes, they consciously plot – though they call it "planning" and "strategizing" – and they do so in great secrecy, often resisting all efforts at public disclosure. No one confabulates and plans more than political and corporate elites and their hired specialists."

As long as McCain and Obama want to maintain the Federal Reserve which causes the ruin of the economy and the continued devaluation of the dollar, leading to boom-bust cycles, they are the same.

As long as they want to maintain an unconstitutional income tax, they are the same.

As long as they want to keep on the constant federal spending on all sorts of worthless imperial programs both at home and abroad, when this country is bankrupt, they are the same.

As long as they want to increase more regulations and interventions into the market place and further cause distortions in the market via socialistic policies, they are the same.

As long as they want to maintain the FDA-medical-pharmaceutical-industrial complex, they are the same.

As long as they want to expand the government's socialistic health care policies and programs, along with pharmaceutical-industrial complex, they are the same.

As long as they want to continue the war on drugs, they are the same.

As long as they want to maintain U.S. troops in Iraq and/or Afghanistan, they are the same.

As long as they want to maintain U.S. troops around the world in the various bases of the imperial outposts, they are the same.

As long as they perpetuate the rest of the military-industrial complex, including American troops around the world, and endless foreign aid to worthless countries, they are the same.

As long as they continue the bogus war on terror, they are the same.

As long as they continue to enable post-911 agencies' powers and programs and assaults on civil liberties, they are the same.

As long as they continue the worthless and unconstitutional program like social security, they are the same.

As long as they continue dismantling property rights under the guise and mantra of "climate change" (changed from "global warming"), they are the same.

I don't mean to quote this entire post but you don't have to tell me. I agree.

[Inthemood]

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You do realize there are a lot more things on the ballot than just who gets to be president, right? And in fact, for many state propositions, every single vote could make a difference since it's not decided based on a college.

I think most people don't care about the other representatives, or know anything about them. It's true that some states are swing states, so it may matter or not...

[Inthemood]

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I don't like cereal, especially cornflakes.

[Sip]

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I love it how the states have already decided for one of the candidates and people are still going to the voting polls.

You do realize there are a lot more things on the ballot than just who gets to be president, right? And in fact, for many state propositions, every single vote could make a difference since it's not decided based on a college.

[crusader1492]

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Someone must have pissed in InTheMood's cornflakes this morning.

[Inthemood]

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I have to say that I am pretty shocked at just how many people are absolutely clueless about the electoral college system. I've been saying to people for ages that their presidential votes don't really count, if they want a direct influence they should focus on their local elections. People still don't understand. I love it how the states have already decided for one of the candidates and people are still going to the voting polls.

What's the percentage of people who voted this election? I think everyone and their grandmother did. Most still don't understand what happened with Al Gore and Bush election. How can you go vote and not understand how it works? Especially if you have lived in this country for more than 30 years? Today I had to explain to my "older" coworkers the electoral college system and how it works, and this is after they voted. They were shocked to find out that the popular vote doesn't necessarily determine presidency.

Everyone here should survey people they know and find out how many actually understand the US voting system. It's really shocking.

Also I love how people talk about Obama, with such conviction as if they have watched his management style and understand the issues. Common praises and faith in his success as a presidents are:

1. He is a Democrat.
2. He is not like Bush.
3. He cares about the middle class.
4. That goddamn crap about Energy independence.
5. He will raise minimum wage (why don't people try to at least understand the lack of reasoning behind that action?)
6. He will increase taxes for the rich (this just really makes me mad, as if the rich only represent the evil class which only abuses the poor and has money just raining down on them).
7. He guarantees good relations with Israel (like that's ever been an issue).
8. Health care for all.
9. Pulling troops out of Iraq and Afghanistan.
10. He promises all of the above.

In his closing speech I heard him emphasize "I promise." I just really can't stand when politicians "promise" these grandiose plans which are most likely impossible to fulfill and are simply be a failure. I was just wondering why doesn't he just promise us Pink Unicorns and get it over with, at least there will be some consistency.

I guess I just really really hate when people say uneducated, retarded and trivial things without ever analyzing their validity. I hate it when people encourage everyone to vote and use that dump cliche "Don't forget to vote, every vote counts!" It's very infuriating.

Once again, I am so disappointed that this nation, which represents freedom and liberty, has reached a point where people are having to chose the "lesser evil of the two." (whatever that means).

Do you think that Obama will pull out the troops?

[ArmSurvival]

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Both Obama and Biden have had long track records of being pro-Armenian before they started their campaign. I mean, they don't even live in highly Armenian-populated states! Obama has shown to be committed to recognizing atrocities, past and current, and calling the governments out on it.

Before he was a member of the Senate, Obama was very much pro-Palestinian, and said on many occasions that Israel needs to end its occupation of Palestine. After he became a member of Senate, he became pro-Israeli and even said during the Presidential race that Jerusalem is the capital of Israel, which is even against international law. So don't be surprised if he does a complete 180 on Armenian issues.

[Anush]

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Anon maybe obama will not recognize the Genocide I don't know, but he is the lesser of two evils I have too say.
Look at McCain he is supporting the Azeris so that makes him an enemy of Hayastan. I don't understand how an Armenian could even think about voting for him. The least people could have done is vote against him.

I agree with your point of view. I did vote for Obama, but honestly I don’t expect to him or any politician in the United States to uphold any statement that he or she may have made in regard to Armenian aide or recognition. The leaders of this country have on many occasions over the years acknowledged or "recognized" the Genocide but acknowledging and acting on the subject are two different things entirely.

What has been done for Armenians or Armenia in earnest since 1951, when the United States officially recognized the Armenian Genocide? Of course we are told by congressmen, senators, etc. who attend fund raising events or need our votes that we are to remain vigilant and keep up the fight, BUT after the lovely speeches of support and recognition there is no real action.

[KarotheGreat]

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Anon maybe obama will not recognize the Genocide I don't know, but he is the lesser of two evils I have too say.
Look at McCain he is supporting the Azeris so that makes him an enemy of Hayastan. I don't understand how an Armenian could even think about voting for him. The least people could have done is vote against him.