To Vote or Not to Vote

[yerazhishda]

Re: To Vote or Not to Vote

I hope you are not as naive as this post indicates.

Obama would never have one had he not had the support of those of the Zionist persuasion. If you think he is going to recognize anything Armenian related, you are deluding yourself.

Please, read all of the articles posted in this thread.

I am not naive; I know exactly what I'm saying. Both Obama and Biden have had long track records of being pro-Armenian before they started their campaign. I mean, they don't even live in highly Armenian-populated states! Obama has shown to be committed to recognizing atrocities, past and current, and calling the governments out on it.

And I don't think Obama is as connected to Zionists as you think he is, and most certainly less than McCain is. Obama has made the Genocide recognition promise over and over again to ANCA and other Armenian organizations. Do you think they're going to sit idly by and let a bunch of joos run the show? Of course not. ANCA gave Obama the Armenian vote which was decisive in many states (So Goes the Armenian vote, so goes the nation?). We should not underestimate ANCA's power in lobbying and getting things done.

You can lean on the side of despair. I, however, will lean on the side of hope.

[Anonymouse]

Re: To Vote or Not to Vote

It is understandable that you think this way, enker, but there is a stark difference this time: one is a Genocide denier and the other is commited to Genocide recognition and supporting Armenia financially. It is a black and white choice. I don't get why so many Armenians (and disgustingly, so many young Armenians) voted for McCain. A vote for McCain was a vote against Armenia and Armenians.

I hope you are not as naive as this post indicates.

Obama would never have one had he not had the support of those of the Zionist persuasion. If you think he is going to recognize anything Armenian related, you are deluding yourself.

Please, read all of the articles posted in this thread.

[yerazhishda]

Re: To Vote or Not to Vote

From the ANCA:

It's 11:04pm - and it's clear now that Obama has won.

It was a hard-fought battle between two good men - but two men with very different views on Armenian issues.

I'm very proud of our role in today's results. We endorsed Obama in January when he was fighting an uphill battle for his party's nomination and worked for him right through tonight. We simply couldn't afford another 4 years of the same, hostile anti-Armenian policies.

No matter whom you supported, with the election over, we all want to see truth and justice prevail over Turkey's threats and blackmail.

We're almost there: The new President-elect supported Armenian issues in the Senate, has pledged if elected to recognize the Armenian Genocide, and picked a running mate with a 35-year pro-Armenian track record.

We're close to the day when an American President finally ends nearly a century of U.S. complicity in Turkey's denials.

Starting tomorrow, the full force of the Turkish government will come down like a ton of bricks on Washington.

Turkish leaders, their lobbyists, and the "usual suspects" in Washington bureaucracies are already out there, using every trick in the book to deliver for Turkey through deceit what they could not win for Ankara at the ballot box.

It's wrong. And I know you won't tolerate it.

That's why I am urgently asking for your financial support. Please, send a secure online donation now so we can fight back starting tomorrow morning against this tidal wave of Turkish attacks.

Every dollar you send will help us break Turkey's ruthless campaign to delay, derail, and defeat U.S. recognition of the Armenian Genocide.

Any donation, $10, $50, $100 or more will make a true difference. Our Cause needs you now more than ever.

Sincerely,

Ken Hachikian


source: anca.org

[crusader1492]

Re: To Vote or Not to Vote

It is understandable that you think this way, enker, but there is a stark difference this time: one is a Genocide denier and the other is commited to Genocide recognition and supporting Armenia financially. It is a black and white choice. I don't get why so many Armenians (and disgustingly, so many young Armenians) voted for McCain. A vote for McCain was a vote against Armenia and Armenians.

I agree.

I know someone personally that went to Washington, DC to lobby for HR106 and then she turns around and votes for McCain. Strange.

Also, I am aware that there is no guarantee that Obama will fulfill his promises, but you cannot argue that he (and Biden) have a very strong track record on Armenian issues.

If Obama does not pursue a Genocide resolution within his first term, then it will probably never happen. At that point I would say that the US is totally corrupted and therefore Armenians should forget about putting forth efforts for a Genocide resolution in this country. Moreover, at that point, efforts would have to be shifted totally to building the ROA.

...but for now, I think Armenian-Americans have a great shot at with Obama/Biden. There is reason to be optimistic.

Btw, if you cannot tell already, I'm a one-issue voter

[Armanen]

Re: To Vote or Not to Vote

I hope I am proven wrong and obama does keep his promises, but until then, it is not white and black for me. They are the same xxxx as Mouse pointed out above.

[yerazhishda]

Re: To Vote or Not to Vote

Presidential politics in the U.S. is about who raises more money and runs a better campaign. It has nothing to do with policy. Ultimately the two candidates are different sides of the same coin.

It is understandable that you think this way, enker, but there is a stark difference this time: one is a Genocide denier and the other is commited to Genocide recognition and supporting Armenia financially. It is a black and white choice. I don't get why so many Armenians (and disgustingly, so many young Armenians) voted for McCain. A vote for McCain was a vote against Armenia and Armenians.

[Anonymouse]

Re: To Vote or Not to Vote

Americans are so simple-minded and easy to sway like emotional loose cannons, waiting on that one great promise to be led to the golden land of easy chairs. The word CHANGE, despite the objective dictionary meaning, is the pet phrase that's repeated over and over. Like good little automatons they parade behind their man chanting "change," and apply God-like greatness to their new Lord and Master. Lead me Dear Great One. Throw me some bread, put on a circus or two, and I shall be your true-blue worshiper.

[gmd]

Re: To Vote or Not to Vote

Presidential politics in the U.S. is about who raises more money and runs a better campaign. It has nothing to do with policy. Ultimately the two candidates are different sides of the same coin.

Having said that I personally view it as a form of entertainment, much like a sporting event. I found this last election cycle very entertaining, but the championship is today and the show is over tomorrow.

[Anonymouse]

Re: To Vote or Not to Vote

This is the first time I am eligible to vote.

Everybody I know is voting today, most of them for the first time. This includes my entire family and my girlfriend and her family.

In a way, I feel left out. Even if I wanted to vote, I can't, I'm not registered. I chose not to register because I truly believe voting does not play a part in our future. Even if I'm wrong, it's what I believe. I don't think anybody has a say in who gets elected. I told my girlfriend today it doesn't matter who she wants; California has already decided on Obama. If you want to get into even further, America has already decided on their next president. Nothing you say or do will change that.

I also believe most of the voters don't even why they like their candidate. Sure, Obama looks, for the lack of a better word, better, than McCain but most people don't even know anything about their policies. They just go with the consensus; the more popular candidate. I know enough to vote and give reasons why I believe one candidate is better, but in the end, it comes down to the fact that they won't be making any decisions in office.

Only individuals can stand up against the stupidity of the masses. Never doubt that. Going against the grain is unpopular and often shunned or chastised, but it is often times where truth lies. The majorities and masses are always ruled by emotions and passions, but never their minds. They have been lulled and pampered into a comfortable cognitive dissonance.

When you have McCain and Obama along with all the other presidential candidates except Ron Paul, Dennis Kucinich and Mike Gravel, as members of the notorious globalist Council on Foreign Relations which wields more influence than anything else, you can bet your dollar they have more say in what goes on than you as a voter.

As Michael Parenti said in Dirty Truths, City Lights Books, 1996:

"Those who suffer from conspiracy phobia are fond of saying: "Do you actually think there's a group of people sitting around in a room plotting things?" For some reason that image is assumed to be so patently absurd as to invite only disclaimers. But where else would people of power get together – on park benches or carousels? Indeed, they meet in rooms: corporate boardrooms, Pentagon command rooms, at the Bohemian Grove, in the choice dining rooms at the best restaurants, resorts, hotels, and estates, in the many conference rooms at the White House, the NSA, the CIA, or wherever. And, yes, they consciously plot – though they call it "planning" and "strategizing" – and they do so in great secrecy, often resisting all efforts at public disclosure. No one confabulates and plans more than political and corporate elites and their hired specialists."

As long as McCain and Obama want to maintain the Federal Reserve which causes the ruin of the economy and the continued devaluation of the dollar, leading to boom-bust cycles, they are the same.

As long as they want to maintain an unconstitutional income tax, they are the same.

As long as they want to keep on the constant federal spending on all sorts of worthless imperial programs both at home and abroad, when this country is bankrupt, they are the same.

As long as they want to increase more regulations and interventions into the market place and further cause distortions in the market via socialistic policies, they are the same.

As long as they want to maintain the FDA-medical-pharmaceutical-industrial complex, they are the same.

As long as they want to expand the government's socialistic health care policies and programs, along with pharmaceutical-industrial complex, they are the same.

As long as they want to continue the war on drugs, they are the same.

As long as they want to maintain U.S. troops in Iraq and/or Afghanistan, they are the same.

As long as they want to maintain U.S. troops around the world in the various bases of the imperial outposts, they are the same.

As long as they perpetuate the rest of the military-industrial complex, including American troops around the world, and endless foreign aid to worthless countries, they are the same.

As long as they continue the bogus war on terror, they are the same.

As long as they continue to enable post-911 agencies' powers and programs and assaults on civil liberties, they are the same.

As long as they continue the worthless and unconstitutional program like social security, they are the same.

As long as they continue dismantling property rights under the guise and mantra of "climate change" (changed from "global warming"), they are the same.

[One-Way]

Re: To Vote or Not to Vote

This is the first time I am eligible to vote.

Everybody I know is voting today, most of them for the first time. This includes my entire family and my girlfriend and her family.

In a way, I feel left out. Even if I wanted to vote, I can't, I'm not registered. I chose not to register because I truly believe voting does not play a part in our future. Even if I'm wrong, it's what I believe. I don't think anybody has a say in who gets elected. I told my girlfriend today it doesn't matter who she wants; California has already decided on Obama. If you want to get into even further, America has already decided on their next president. Nothing you say or do will change that.

I also believe most of the voters don't even why they like their candidate. Sure, Obama looks, for the lack of a better word, better, than McCain but most people don't even know anything about their policies. They just go with the consensus; the more popular candidate. I know enough to vote and give reasons why I believe one candidate is better, but in the end, it comes down to the fact that they won't be making any decisions in office.