Narcotics and Morality

[jgk3]

Re: Narcotics and Morality

So you are arguing that a society becomes morally superior without any of its individuals genuinely becoming more virtuous through participation in a more rigid legal system?

The system you described in Vienna works because of the ethic or will of the people, the aggregate of their person attitudes towards this law in their society. It does not need enforcement because people agree with it to such a level that it is impractical, redundant or wasteful to enforce it. You could say that this is less of an enforced law and more of a shared value of the people, much like keeping right in a hallway so that you don't obstruct he traffic.

[Anonymouse]

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Half-measures are inefficient. As long as there is a demand, any prohibition will be ineffective; people will look for ways to circumvent the law and supply the demand.

In Islam we destroy the demand - literally. Any alcohol or illegal drug consumption is punishable by death. You get caught drinking any alcohol or consuming other illegal subatances, we kill you. Look at Singapore, a non-Muslim nation. It doesn't spend a penny on any anti-narcotics division or on any drug rehabilitation programs. As a result, all the externalities and costs of drugs are non-existent in Singapore.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criminal_law_of_Singapore

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misuse_...Act_(Singapore)

I wouldn't want any nation to have drug problems. Imagine if Armenia ever had drug related problems. Imagine how that would sink your country. Armenia cannot afford anymore problems than it has now. It would be excellent if the Armenian government imposed such laws. What good is there in drugs? What good is there in turning your people into junkies simply to adhere to a destructively perverse and extreme understanding of "human rights?" By being a citizen of any country, you are a part of that society and therefore, whether you like it or not, what you do to yourself will have an effect on the whole of society. The aggregate effect of everyone thinking "Oh, it's my personal decision and it will affect only me" is bullshˇt. If everyone thought like that, then you would have a detrimental decay and failure of that society. You cannot let people do that to themselves - it's immoral because the other citizens in the country will pay for that wrecklessness in increased taxes and compromised security that comes with drug related economics and politics. What right do some human rights groups have to impose their beliefs and judge others about capital punishment and how it should be dealt?

You can't let your emotions get in the way of these things. When someone injects, snorts or smokes that drug they have chosen the value of their life. They have chosen to be a burden on society for their own vile selfish pursuit. You can't have half-measures and expect to value the lives of junkies and good citizens equally and expect you can have a fair and just society. Those that choose to destroy themselves choose to take others down with them.

Ask yourselves, how Armenia, a country with less than 3 million people, surrounded by hostility, landlocked without resources can allow itself to bare the cost of its population exercising its "human right" of "the pursuit of happiness" (hedonism)? How can Armenia survive? It's imperative that there are no compromises or yielding to the forces of Satanism irrespective of what your religion is.

Drugs are a curse I do not wish even for the worst of my enemies.

I'm okay with killing users and dealers. I want a to live in a Sharia state or some kind of Singapore.

p.s. I created this thread so we dont digress on the other.

I'm glad Armenia isn't Islamic, nor America. Thank the devil. Islam only seeks to subjugate the individual and the idea of free will to an absolutist creed - a closed system.

Any ideology, that acts on fear and compulsion and is rooted in the idea of telling other people what to do and how to live and how to think, is an absolutely unjust ideology. It leaves no room for choice, but seeks to force people to a certain mindset. People thereby arrive at "truths" not via reason or deduction, but by fear and emotion.

[Stark Evade]

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I am still rather undecided about the issue of recreational drugs.

On the one hand, I feel that no human animal has the right to tell another human animal not to put something in its mouth or lungs. It seems rather basic to me.

On the other hand, however, I feel the story of "A Scanner Darkly" to be quite disturbing and also have a difficult time dealing with the fact that people can become quite destructive consuming things that significantly impair their judgment. A society that allows its residents to freely consume heroine, cocaine, PCP, ecstasy, LSD, etc. and also gives them access to cars seems a bit terrifying.

[Muhaha]

Intoxication and Morality are two completely unrelated elements of life.

[yerazhishda]

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Intoxication and Morality are two completely unrelated elements of life.

LOL @ muhaha good point

[Muhaha]

Re: Narcotics and Morality

LOL @ muhaha good point

I can't tell what you're saying. Are you joking/being sarcastic by saying 'good point'?

[yerazhishda]

Re: Narcotics and Morality

I can't tell what you're saying. Are you joking/being sarcastic by saying 'good point'?

r u?

[ara87]

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In Islam we destroy the demand - literally. Any alcohol or illegal drug consumption is punishable by death. You get caught drinking any alcohol or consuming other illegal subatances, we kill you.

Isn't this kind of ignored though? Don't many Muslims drink ouzo/arak and other drinks today? Also you all aren't allowed to gamble, yet you can't tell me that the casinos throughout the middle east are only for non Muslim tourists. So couldn't you say most Muslims kind of pick and choose the way most Christians do?

I'm okay with killing users and dealers.

I understand why drugs are bad, health wise and morally. But to kill the dealers/users is ridiculous. Yes drugs are bad, but someone dealing marijuana cannot be put in the same boat as someone dealing ice/meth, heroine, etc.

Also I believe that many drugs(not all though) should be legalized. Most people do things like underage binge drinking, b/c there is a thrill in rebelling against the rules. As soon as it is legally allowed for them to do though, drinking just to get wasted usually loses some, if not much appeal to many. Also many medicines are "cousins" to many illegal drugs, and in some cases are only seperated by a few molecules. So maybe if the drug companies took the business out of the hands of the dealers, and put it in pill form with proper doses and a limited amount of refills, and at a medium ranged price, it could work. I mean most people are addicted to prescription pain killers and anti depressants anyways. And at least this would decrease the actual crime related part of drugs. No dealers, drug lords, drug cartels, etc.

I want a to live in a Sharia state or some kind of Singapore.

No offense, but I believe that a Sharia state, or any state who's laws are based on religion, including Christianity, would not be a happy place to live in.

[Muhaha]

Re: Narcotics and Morality

r u?

No I'm serious. Morality isn't determined by any kind of self directed action.

Wearing woman's panties on weekends, performing auto fellatio on Tuesdays, and singing along to Sades greatest hits on Fridays are no different than drinking alcohol, smoking marijuana, or participating in a spiritual peyote session somewhere in South America.

They may not be your cup of tea and you may consider them to be things that lower the quality of life, but they still have nothing to do with whether or not somebody is a 'good person'.

You can artificially connect Intoxication and Morals together and say 'I'm too high up on the moral ladder to get drunk', but that's a creation of your mind. There are solid reasons for why someone wouldn't want to use Cocaine or Heroine, 'they're evil' isn't one of them.

[yerazhishda]

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No I'm serious. Morality isn't determined by any kind of self directed action.

By what standard of values?

Wearing woman's panties on weekends, performing auto fellatio on Tuesdays, and singing along to Sades greatest hits on Fridays are no different than drinking alcohol, smoking marijuana, or participating in a spiritual peyote session somewhere in South America.

Wearing womens' panties and drinking alcohol are fundamentally different morally; one is concerned with sexuality, the other with the sense-perception mechanism. I don't know how you came to the conclusion that they address the same fundamental philosophical concepts.

They may not be your cup of tea and you may consider them to be things that lower the quality of life, but they still have nothing to do with whether or not somebody is a 'good person'.

You have to provide a standard of value, a philosophy. Something can only be 'good' or 'bad' in reference to a set of values; there is no such thing as morality in a vaccuum.

You can artificially connect Intoxication and Morals together and say 'I'm too high up on the moral ladder to get drunk', but that's a creation of your mind. There are solid reasons for why someone wouldn't want to use Cocaine or Heroine, 'they're evil' isn't one of them.

It depends whose morals you are referring to. To a Muslim getting drunk is evil but to a Christian it is not. It depends on the standard of value that is set. All human action is subject to moral scrutiny and I don't know how you concluded the opposite.