Re: Turkey - Internal Political Affairs
Announcement
Collapse
Forum Rules (Everyone Must Read!!!)
1] What you CAN NOT post.
You agree, through your use of this service, that you will not use this forum to post any material which is:
- abusive
- vulgar
- hateful
- harassing
- personal attacks
- obscene
You also may not:
- post images that are too large (max is 500*500px)
- post any copyrighted material unless the copyright is owned by you or cited properly.
- post in UPPER CASE, which is considered yelling
- post messages which insult the Armenians, Armenian culture, traditions, etc
- post racist or other intentionally insensitive material that insults or attacks another culture (including Turks)
The Ankap thread is excluded from the strict rules because that place is more relaxed and you can vent and engage in light insults and humor. Notice it's not a blank ticket, but just a place to vent. If you go into the Ankap thread, you enter at your own risk of being clowned on.
What you PROBABLY SHOULD NOT post...
Do not post information that you will regret putting out in public. This site comes up on Google, is cached, and all of that, so be aware of that as you post. Do not ask the staff to go through and delete things that you regret making available on the web for all to see because we will not do it. Think before you post!
2] Use descriptive subject lines & research your post. This means use the SEARCH.
This reduces the chances of double-posting and it also makes it easier for people to see what they do/don't want to read. Using the search function will identify existing threads on the topic so we do not have multiple threads on the same topic.
3] Keep the focus.
Each forum has a focus on a certain topic. Questions outside the scope of a certain forum will either be moved to the appropriate forum, closed, or simply be deleted. Please post your topic in the most appropriate forum. Users that keep doing this will be warned, then banned.
4] Behave as you would in a public location.
This forum is no different than a public place. Behave yourself and act like a decent human being (i.e. be respectful). If you're unable to do so, you're not welcome here and will be made to leave.
5] Respect the authority of moderators/admins.
Public discussions of moderator/admin actions are not allowed on the forum. It is also prohibited to protest moderator actions in titles, avatars, and signatures. If you don't like something that a moderator did, PM or email the moderator and try your best to resolve the problem or difference in private.
6] Promotion of sites or products is not permitted.
Advertisements are not allowed in this venue. No blatant advertising or solicitations of or for business is prohibited.
This includes, but not limited to, personal resumes and links to products or
services with which the poster is affiliated, whether or not a fee is charged
for the product or service. Spamming, in which a user posts the same message repeatedly, is also prohibited.
7] We retain the right to remove any posts and/or Members for any reason, without prior notice.
- PLEASE READ -
Members are welcome to read posts and though we encourage your active participation in the forum, it is not required. If you do participate by posting, however, we expect that on the whole you contribute something to the forum. This means that the bulk of your posts should not be in "fun" threads (e.g. Ankap, Keep & Kill, This or That, etc.). Further, while occasionally it is appropriate to simply voice your agreement or approval, not all of your posts should be of this variety: "LOL Member213!" "I agree."
If it is evident that a member is simply posting for the sake of posting, they will be removed.
8] These Rules & Guidelines may be amended at any time. (last update September 17, 2009)
If you believe an individual is repeatedly breaking the rules, please report to admin/moderator.
You agree, through your use of this service, that you will not use this forum to post any material which is:
- abusive
- vulgar
- hateful
- harassing
- personal attacks
- obscene
You also may not:
- post images that are too large (max is 500*500px)
- post any copyrighted material unless the copyright is owned by you or cited properly.
- post in UPPER CASE, which is considered yelling
- post messages which insult the Armenians, Armenian culture, traditions, etc
- post racist or other intentionally insensitive material that insults or attacks another culture (including Turks)
The Ankap thread is excluded from the strict rules because that place is more relaxed and you can vent and engage in light insults and humor. Notice it's not a blank ticket, but just a place to vent. If you go into the Ankap thread, you enter at your own risk of being clowned on.
What you PROBABLY SHOULD NOT post...
Do not post information that you will regret putting out in public. This site comes up on Google, is cached, and all of that, so be aware of that as you post. Do not ask the staff to go through and delete things that you regret making available on the web for all to see because we will not do it. Think before you post!
2] Use descriptive subject lines & research your post. This means use the SEARCH.
This reduces the chances of double-posting and it also makes it easier for people to see what they do/don't want to read. Using the search function will identify existing threads on the topic so we do not have multiple threads on the same topic.
3] Keep the focus.
Each forum has a focus on a certain topic. Questions outside the scope of a certain forum will either be moved to the appropriate forum, closed, or simply be deleted. Please post your topic in the most appropriate forum. Users that keep doing this will be warned, then banned.
4] Behave as you would in a public location.
This forum is no different than a public place. Behave yourself and act like a decent human being (i.e. be respectful). If you're unable to do so, you're not welcome here and will be made to leave.
5] Respect the authority of moderators/admins.
Public discussions of moderator/admin actions are not allowed on the forum. It is also prohibited to protest moderator actions in titles, avatars, and signatures. If you don't like something that a moderator did, PM or email the moderator and try your best to resolve the problem or difference in private.
6] Promotion of sites or products is not permitted.
Advertisements are not allowed in this venue. No blatant advertising or solicitations of or for business is prohibited.
This includes, but not limited to, personal resumes and links to products or
services with which the poster is affiliated, whether or not a fee is charged
for the product or service. Spamming, in which a user posts the same message repeatedly, is also prohibited.
7] We retain the right to remove any posts and/or Members for any reason, without prior notice.
- PLEASE READ -
Members are welcome to read posts and though we encourage your active participation in the forum, it is not required. If you do participate by posting, however, we expect that on the whole you contribute something to the forum. This means that the bulk of your posts should not be in "fun" threads (e.g. Ankap, Keep & Kill, This or That, etc.). Further, while occasionally it is appropriate to simply voice your agreement or approval, not all of your posts should be of this variety: "LOL Member213!" "I agree."
If it is evident that a member is simply posting for the sake of posting, they will be removed.
8] These Rules & Guidelines may be amended at any time. (last update September 17, 2009)
If you believe an individual is repeatedly breaking the rules, please report to admin/moderator.
See more
See less
Turkey - Internal Political Affairs
Collapse
X
-
Re: Turkey - Internal Political Affairs
Originally posted by Eddo211 View Post
What a gay poster.
Here is more about that "coup" in Turkey
Turkey accuses 51 of plotting coup
Prosecutors on Tuesday interrogated 51 Turkish military commanders, including former air force and navy chiefs, over alleged plans to destabilize the country by blowing up mosques to trigger a coup and topple the Islamic-rooted government.
It was the highest profile crackdown ever on the Turkish military, which has ousted four governments since 1960. For decades Turkey's senior officers, self-appointed guardians of the country's secular tradition, called the shots.
But the balance of power in this EU-candidate country appeared to have shifted Monday as police rounded up the 51 military commanders, following the gathering of wiretap evidence and discovery of an alleged secret coup plan, dubbed "the sledgehammer."
Originally posted by SevSpitak View Posthahaha baliozian. That's a sick last name I'd like to have. Translate that to english: Sledgehammerian.
Imagine you become a member of a neo-ASALA organization XD
"Balyoz bizi bastirdi! (Sledgehammer smashed us)" on the front page of hurriyet!
Sorry, off topic. Don't hate me for this. http://forum.hyeclub.com/showpost.ph...&postcount=857
The government denies the crackdown is politically motivated or designed to silence government critics, as is claimed by opposition parties.
Suspects include generals, admirals
The suspects included former air force chief Gen. Ibrahim Firtina and navy chief Adm. Ozden Ornek, who allegedly chronicled some failed coup attempts, as well ex-deputy chief Gen. Ergin Saygun.
All of the suspects, including nearly two dozen retired and active duty generals and admirals, were expected after questioning to appear Tuesday in an Istanbul court that is hearing all coup plot allegations.
The suspects face charges of attempting to topple the government by force, and membership in an illegal organization for that purpose, the Istanbul-based Milliyet newspaper reported Tuesday.
http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2010/0...ommanders.html"Nobody can give you freedom. Nobody can give you equality or justice or anything. If you're a man, you take it." ~Malcolm X
Comment
-
Re: Turkey - Internal Political Affairs
Originally posted by Eddo211 View PostIsraeli president targeted in Turkish poster
Monday, February 22, 2010
ISTANBUL - Agence France-Presse
A huge poster showing Israel's president bowing to the Turkish prime minister was hung from an Istanbul crane Sunday in the latest round of sniping between the two nations.
The picture, unfurled from a crane in a city suburb, combined an image of Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdoğan standing upright with one of Shimon Peres leaning forward; making it look like the Israeli president was bowing.
Erdoğan was due to visit the area to inaugurate a new road network, and officials from his office had the poster removed before he arrived, the Akşam newspaper said on its Web site.
It was not clear who was behind the stunt, the newspaper said, though it appeared to be retaliation for the public dressing down given to the Turkish ambassador to Israel last month.
The diplomat was called in protest of a Turkish television series which showed Israel in bad light and was made to sit on a lower couch during the meeting with Deputy Foreign Minister Danny Ayalon.
Turkey has been a close military ally of Israel since 1996 but relations between the two countries have been tense in the wake of Israel's devastating war on Gaza in late 2008 and early 2009, which Turkey vehemently criticized.
In a memorable outburst, Erdoğan stormed out of a debate at the World Economic Forum, accusing Israel of "barbarian" acts and telling Peres, who was sitting next to him, that "you know well how to kill people."
Earlier this month Israeli Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman slammed Turkey for what he called its recent "anti-Israeli" stance but said his country would continue efforts to rebuild ties with long-time ally Ankara.
------------------
What a gay poster.
Comment
-
Re: Turkey - Internal Political Affairs
Originally posted by KanadaHye View PostIt really doesn't look like he's "bowing" and lol @Muhaha ... Mr. Spock is J3wish, lol.
Here is more about that "coup" in Turkey
Turkey accuses 51 of plotting coup
Prosecutors on Tuesday interrogated 51 Turkish military commanders, including former air force and navy chiefs, over alleged plans to destabilize the country by blowing up mosques to trigger a coup and topple the Islamic-rooted government.
It was the highest profile crackdown ever on the Turkish military, which has ousted four governments since 1960. For decades Turkey's senior officers, self-appointed guardians of the country's secular tradition, called the shots.
But the balance of power in this EU-candidate country appeared to have shifted Monday as police rounded up the 51 military commanders, following the gathering of wiretap evidence and discovery of an alleged secret coup plan, dubbed "the sledgehammer."
The nationwide sweep was launched after experts determined military documents leaked by Taraf, a daily newspaper, were authentic, an English-language newspaper reported Tuesday.
The government denies the crackdown is politically motivated or designed to silence government critics, as is claimed by opposition parties.
Suspects include generals, admirals
The suspects included former air force chief Gen. Ibrahim Firtina and navy chief Adm. Ozden Ornek, who allegedly chronicled some failed coup attempts, as well ex-deputy chief Gen. Ergin Saygun.
All of the suspects, including nearly two dozen retired and active duty generals and admirals, were expected after questioning to appear Tuesday in an Istanbul court that is hearing all coup plot allegations.
The suspects face charges of attempting to topple the government by force, and membership in an illegal organization for that purpose, the Istanbul-based Milliyet newspaper reported Tuesday.
http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2010/0...ommanders.html
The next step on the AKP's agenda is to bring Fetullah Gulen back to Turkey. Once this happens, all hell will break lose. Tension are only increasing. The only solution is an early snap election, which should result in the AKP being forced into coalition.
I hope secularist/Kemalist parties will learn not to rely on military coups to topple Islamist governments. There is more than enough support to force AKP into coalition. CHP especially must reform. Though, its already a rotten apple. I personally will be supporting Mustafa Sarigul's new party, "Turkiye Değişim Hareketi" (Turkey's Change Movement) His deputy mayor in Sisli, Istanbul is Armenian.
If anyone's interested, here is the site:
http://www.degisimhareketi.org/eng/default.asp.
Comment
-
Re: Turkey - Internal Political Affairs
Originally posted by egeli View PostPast military coups against the civilian government occurred because of America's active support, especially during the cold war. Now, its the reverse. The elected government coup against the military is happening only because America supports it.
The next step on the AKP's agenda is to bring Fetullah Gulen back to Turkey. Once this happens, all hell will break lose. Tension are only increasing. The only solution is an early snap election, which should result in the AKP being forced into coalition.
I hope secularist/Kemalist parties will learn not to rely on military coups to topple Islamist governments. There is more than enough support to force AKP into coalition. CHP especially must reform. Though, its already a rotten apple. I personally will be supporting Mustafa Sarigul's new party, "Turkiye Değişim Hareketi" (Turkey's Change Movement) His deputy mayor in Sisli, Istanbul is Armenian.
If anyone's interested, here is the site:
http://www.degisimhareketi.org/eng/default.asp."Nobody can give you freedom. Nobody can give you equality or justice or anything. If you're a man, you take it." ~Malcolm X
Comment
-
Re: Turkey - Internal Political Affairs
For the first time in more than 600 years, Armenia is free and independent, and we are therefore obligated
to place our national interests ahead of our personal gains or aspirations.
http://www.armenianhighland.com/main.html
Comment
-
Re: Turkey - Internal Political Affairs
Originally posted by Armanen View Post
Fethullah Gülen: I have never imagined being or wished to be chosen as something important in the world. I have always tried to be a humble servant of God and a humble member of humanity. The Koran says that humanity has been created to recognize and worship God and, as a dimension of this worship, to improve the world in strict avoidance of corruption and bloodshed. It requires treating all things and beings with deep compassion. This is my philosophy, which obliges me to remain aloof from all worldly titles and ranks. However, I am not indifferent to the appreciation of kind people. [The voters were] extremely kind in naming me the world's top public intellectual, a title to which I can never see myself as entitled.
Interview: Fethullah Gülen
http://www.foreignpolicy.com/article...thullah_guelen
This story is getting lot's of publicity....
Turkish PM vows trials for conspirators
Turkey's prime minister vowed Friday to put everyone who conspired against the country's democracy on trial, as the number of military officers charged and jailed for allegedly plotting a 2003 coup against his Islamic-based government rose to 31.
The number includes seven admirals and four generals, and represents the largest-ever crackdown on Turkey's military, which has ousted four civilian governments since 1960.
In a new nationwide sweep Friday, police detained 18 more officers, all but one of whom are still on active duty, television stations said.
The officers were detained in 13 different cities and were being transferred to Istanbul, the reports said. It brings the total of officers detained this week to 67.
'No one is untouchable': Erdogan
The military has wielded strong influence on politics for decades but saw its powers dramatically curtailed by Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan's government, which took steps to put the military under civilian rule.
"An impaired democracy is not the fate of this country," Erdogan told lawmakers at a televised meeting Friday. "No one is above the law, no one is untouchable, no one is privileged."
The probe has fueled tensions between the government and the fiercely secular military and shaken the markets, but Erdogan has dismissed calls for early elections by opposition parties.
Erdogan, President Abdullah Gul and military chief Gen. Ilker Basbug held a rare meeting Thursday, later issuing a joint statement seeking to ease tensions.
"The public must be assured that matters will be handled in line with the law and everyone should act responsibly not to damage institutions," the statement said.
On Friday morning, police escorted the last three of almost 50 high-ranking officers who were detained Monday to the court, including Gen. Cetin Dogan, the former chief of the 1st Army based in Istanbul and Gen. Engin Alan, former head of the Special Forces.
The suspects have reportedly denied the allegations, which include plotting to blow up mosques and kill some non-Muslim figures to foment chaos and trigger a military takeover.
http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2010/0...ests-coup.htmlLast edited by KanadaHye; 02-26-2010, 08:30 AM."Nobody can give you freedom. Nobody can give you equality or justice or anything. If you're a man, you take it." ~Malcolm X
Comment
-
Re: Turkey - Internal Political Affairs
Originally posted by Armanen View Post
Egeli.
Why would the US support an Islamist Turkey? Why is it always someone else's fault in Turkey.B0zkurt Hunter
Comment
-
Re: Turkey - Internal Political Affairs
Originally posted by Eddo211 View PostVery interesting, I thought all of this is just repeat of history in Turkey but this article is very convincing...............I bet that there are many high level commanders that support AKP as well on top of all this.
Egeli.
Why would the US support an Islamist Turkey? Why is it always someone else's fault in Turkey.
The American government does not believe the AKP is Islamist. It is genuinely believed that they are a reforming liberal party. The American ambassador openly made a statement supporting the crackdown on the Turkish military.
Comment
-
Re: Turkey - Internal Political Affairs
Originally posted by Eddo211 View PostVery interesting, I thought all of this is just repeat of history in Turkey but this article is very convincing...............I bet that there are many high level commanders that support AKP as well on top of all this.
Military bases are often adjacent to residential areas. Ive seen kids in playgrounds talking with military sentries on duty. The TSK draws its strength from public support. This is why they are swallowing the recent incursions into their power.
Comment
Comment